STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
LANSING  
RICK SNYDER  
GOVERNOR  
SHELLY EDGERTON  
DIRECTOR  
MICHIGAN BOARD OF COUNSELING  
DECEMBER 2, 2016 MEETING  
APPROVED MINUTES  
In accordance with the Open Meetings Act, 1976 PA 267, as amended, the Michigan  
Board of Counseling met on December 2, 2016, at the Ottawa Building, Conference  
Room 4, 611 West Ottawa Street, Lansing, Michigan 48933.  
CALL TO ORDER  
Patrick Munley, Ph.D., L.P.C., Chairperson, called the meeting to order at 9:58 a.m.  
ROLL CALL  
Members Present: Patrick Munley, Ph.D., L.P.C., Chairperson  
Gerald Papazian, C.A.A.D.C., L.P.C., Vice-Chairperson  
Katie Bozek, Ph.D., LMFT  
Robyn Emde, L.P.C., Vice Chairperson  
Tracey Galgoci, M.A., L.P.C., N.C.C.  
Carol Giacoletto, Public Member  
Jana Simmons, Public Member  
LuAnn Sawdey-Roberts, C.R.C., L.P.C.  
Diane Parfitt, Ph.D., L.P.C.  
Members Absent: Sara Kruse, Public Member  
Kimberly Easterle Mattes, Public Member  
Staff Present:  
Linda Clewley, Manager, Licensing Division  
Brian Hoot, Board Support, Boards and Committees Section  
Patricia Leary, Analyst, Boards and Committees Section  
Kiran Parag, Analyst, Compliance Section  
Kerry Przybylo, Analyst, Boards and Committees Section  
APPROVAL OF AGENDA  
MOTION by Papazian, seconded by Giacoletto, to approve the agenda with corrections.  
The date of the previous meeting was September 16, 2016, not September 15, 2016.  
Addition to New Business, agenda item 7E, Board member discussion/comments.  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
611 W. OTTAWA ST. • P.O. BOX 30670 • LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909  
www.michigan.gov/bpl • (517) 373-8068  
Michigan Board of Counseling  
Meeting Minutes  
December 2, 2016  
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A voice vote was taken.  
MOTION PREVAILED  
APPROVAL OF MINUTES  
MOTION by Galgoci, seconded by Simmons, to approve the minutes from September  
16, 2016 as written.  
A voice vote was taken.  
MOTION PREVAILED  
REGULATORY CONSIDERATIONS  
Rebecca Jane Black – Petition for Reinstatement  
MOTION by Emde, seconded by Papazian, to discuss the Petition for Reinstatement.  
Galgoci recused herself from all discussion on this matter.  
Discussion was held.  
A voice vote was taken.  
MOTION PREVAILED.  
MOTION by Papazian, seconded by Giacoletto, to reject the Proposal for Decision and  
deny the Petition for Reinstatement, relative to good moral character.  
Discussion was held.  
A roll call vote was held:  
Yeas: Giacoletto, Papazian  
Nays: Bozek, Emde, Parfitt, Sawdey-Roberts, Simmons,  
Munley  
Recused: Galgoci  
MOTION FAILED  
MOTION by Bozek, seconded by Emde, to table the matter to obtain further information  
from the record.  
A voice vote was held.  
Michigan Board of Counseling  
Meeting Minutes  
December 2, 2016  
Page 3 of 5  
MOTION PREVAILED  
OLD BUSINESS  
Committee Assignments  
Munley made changes to the previous committee assignments. The Allegation Review  
Committee will be Munley, Emde, and Parfitt. Disciplinary Subcommittee will be  
Simmons (Chairperson) and Giacoletto as public members, with Kruse and Mattes as  
the public alternate. The professional members will be Papazian, Galgoci, and Sawdey-  
Roberts. Bozek and Mattes will be the professional alternates. The Professional  
Counseling Issues Committee will be Munley, Papazian, Galgoci, Parfitt, and Emde.  
The Rules Committee will consist of Emde, Munley, Papazian, and Parfitt.  
Discussion of opening Rules  
Discussion was held concerning opening the rules. Leary advised the Board to consider  
opening the rules to clarify and update the rules as may be needed.  
MOTION by Parfitt, seconded by Papazian, to open the rules.  
Discussion was held.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Bozek, Galgoci, Giacoletto, Parfitt, Sawdey-  
Roberts, Simmons, Papazian  
Nays: Emde, Munley  
MOTION PREVAILED  
NEW BUSINESS  
Chair Report  
Munley discussed out of state applicants applying for a Limited Licensed Professional  
Counselor in Michigan. Clewley explained the department policies and the statute. To  
obtain the Limited License as a Professional Counselor in Michigan, applicants must  
specify an LPC in Michigan who will serve as their supervisor. If an applicant is out of  
state, a Michigan supervising LPC may write a letter to accompany an applicant’s  
disclosure statement documenting the effective date supervision will begin.  
Department Update  
Leary reported that the update pertained to the rules, which was previously discussed.  
Board member discussion/comments  
Michigan Board of Counseling  
Meeting Minutes  
December 2, 2016  
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Papazian had questions regarding the grandfathering in of Licensed Professional  
Counselors and their role in being able to become supervisors for Limited Licensed  
Professional Counselors. Current standards are for a Licensed Professional Counselors  
to practice for three years to be eligible to be designated as a supervisor, but there is no  
way to confirm this by a potential supervisee. Munley raised the question of the  
possibility of making the designation of supervisor public in some manner so a  
supervisee can readily have access to this information.  
Parfitt referenced an email sent to her on behalf of a group of twenty-six supervisors.  
The first topic was the use of technology (Skype) and its potential role in being used for  
supervised sessions. Leary stated there would need to be a determination of what the  
statutes and rules state and recommended to involve the rules committee to help make  
that determination.  
The second topic introduced by Parfitt was how accessible a Limited Licensed  
Professional Counselor supervisor’s name is, in the event an administrative complaint is  
brought against the Limited Licensed Professional Counselor. Clewley stated that this  
information is available on the disclosure statement that the Limited Licensed  
Professional Counselor completes and is available via a Freedom of Information Act  
request. There was discussion about whether that information could be included on the  
Limited Licensed Professional Counselors license.  
The third topic introduced by Parfitt was a question of Limited Licensed Professional  
Counselor’s license renewal and if there could be a form created that the supervisor  
would provide written verification that they are continuing to supervise the Limited  
Licensed Professional Counselor before the license can be renewed. Leary stated that  
authority to draft forms comes from the statute. This topic is not provided for in statute,  
so it could not be created.  
PUBLIC COMMENT  
Janifer Binion, representing the Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association,  
addressed the question of the rules/expectations of Human Trafficking Training. She  
wanted clarification on whether it had to be live training, webinar based, and if there  
were a minimum number of required hours. Binion also thanked the board for  
addressing the issues between the supervisor and supervisee.  
Loraine McKnight, acting President for Michigan Career Development Association,  
introduced herself to the Board.  
ANNOUNCEMENTS  
Michigan Board of Counseling  
Meeting Minutes  
December 2, 2016  
Page 5 of 5  
The next regularly scheduled meeting will be held March 3, 2017 at 10:00 a.m. in the  
Ottawa Building, 611 W. Ottawa Street, Conference Room 4, Upper Level Conference  
Center, Lansing, Michigan.  
ADJOURNMENT  
MOTION by Papazian, seconded by Simmons, to adjourn the meeting at 11:55 a.m.  
A voice vote was taken.  
MOTION PREVAILED  
Minutes approved by the Board on March 3, 2017  
Prepared By:  
Brian Hoot, Board Support  
Date: December 2, 2016  
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