STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
LANSING  
GRETCHEN WHITMER  
GOVERNOR  
ORLENE HAWKS  
DIRECTOR  
MICHIGAN BOARD OF REAL ESTATE APPRAISERS  
MARCH 16, 2021 MEETING  
APPROVED MINUTES  
In accordance with the Open Meetings Act, 1976 PA 267, as amended, the Michigan  
Board of Real Estate Appraisers met on March 16, 2021. The meeting was held via Zoom,  
pursuant to MCL 15.263 and MCL 15.263a.  
CALL TO ORDER  
Delbert Denkins, Chairperson, called the meeting to order at 9:03 a.m.  
ROLL CALL  
Members Present: Delbert Denkins, Certified General Real Estate Appraiser,  
Chairperson  
Attended remotely from the city of St. Joseph, Berrien County,  
Michigan.  
James Hartman, Certified General Real Estate Appraiser,  
Vice Chairperson (out 9:20 a.m., returned 9:23 a.m.)  
Attended remotely from the city of Okemos, Ingham County,  
Michigan.  
Phyllis Howard, Public Member (arrived 9:09 a.m.)  
Attended remotely from the city of Muskegon, Muskegon County,  
Michigan.  
Jumana Judeh, Certified Real Estate Appraiser  
Attended remotely from the city of Livonia, Wayne County,  
Michigan.  
David Mook, Public Member  
Attended remotely from the city of Bay City, Bay County, Michigan.  
Thomas Watson, State Licensed Real Estate Appraiser  
Attended remotely from the city of Midland, Midland County,  
Michigan.  
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Ronald Wheeler, Certified Residential Real Estate Appraiser  
Attended remotely from the city of Dewitt, Clinton County,  
Michigan.  
Members Absent: Mark Jenkins, Certified Residential Appraiser  
David Worthams, Public Member  
Staff:  
Laury Brown, Analyst, Compliance Section  
Andria Ditschman, Analyst, Boards and Committees Section  
Jennifer Fitzgerald, Assistant Attorney General  
Kerry Przybylo, Manager, Boards and Committees Section  
Stephanie Wysack, Board Support, Boards and Committees Section  
APPROVAL OF AGENDA  
MOTION by Wheeler, seconded by Mook, to approve the agenda, as presented.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Judeh, Mook, Watson, Wheeler, Hartman, Denkins  
Nays: None  
MOTION PREVAILED  
APPROVAL OF MINUTES  
MOTION by Mook, seconded by Wheeler, to approve the minutes from September 15,  
2020, as presented.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Wheeler, Hartman,  
Denkins  
Nays: None  
MOTION PREVAILED  
REGULATORY CONSIDERATIONS  
Consent Orders and Stipulations  
Howard A. Baum  
MOTION by Wheeler, seconded by Watson, to discuss.  
MOTION WITHDRAWN.  
MOTION by Mook, seconded by Watson, to discuss.  
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A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Hartman, Denkins  
Nays: None  
Recuse: Wheeler  
MOTION PREVAILED  
Discussion was held.  
MOTION by Hartman, seconded by Judeh, to accept the Consent Order and Stipulation.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Hartman, Denkins  
Nays: None  
Recuse: Wheeler  
MOTION PREVAILED  
Susan Nicole Nahra  
MOTION by Watson, seconded by Judeh, to discuss.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Denkins  
Nays: None  
Recuse: Hartman, Wheeler  
MOTION PREVAILED  
Discussion was held.  
MOTION by Judeh, seconded by Mook, to accept the Consent Order and Stipulation.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Denkins  
Nays: None  
Recuse: Hartman, Wheeler  
MOTION PREVAILED  
OLD BUSINESS  
None  
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NEW BUSINESS  
Rules Update  
Ditschman stated that the draft was in the last stage of promulgation and should be  
approved soon. She provided an overview of the major changes to the rules.  
Judeh expressed a concern with the 60-day timeframe required to request approval for  
continuing education. She stated that it is unrealistic to submit the application with the  
speakers 60 days in advance. She also stated that not being able to advertise prior to  
approval was an issue, as attendees desire to register months in advance to get the class  
on their schedule.  
Ditschman stated that 30-day emergency approval was included in the new draft, to allow  
for circumstances, such as a change in speaker, that were out of the applicant’s control.  
She stated that advertising is not allowed in order to protect the licensee who is  
registering. The licensee should be assured that the course is approved when registering.  
Wheeler asked if the continuing education process for the Board of Real Estate Brokers  
and Salespersons was similar. Przybylo stated that continuing education for Real Estate  
Brokers and Salespersons is approved through the state real estate association which is  
a different process. Real Estate Appraisers’ continuing education is approved through  
the Department with the same 60-day requirement for applications.  
Hartman stated that, just because the rules state 60 days, that does not mean that it  
would necessarily take that long.  
MOTION by Wheeler, seconded by Judeh, to open the rules once the current sent has  
been promulgated.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Wheeler, Hartman,  
Denkins  
Nays: None  
MOTION PREVAILED  
Chair Report  
Denkins stated that the Appraisal Standards Board (ASB) has extended the Uniform  
Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice (USPAP) date to December 31, 2022.  
Denkins stated that the Department has asked for assistance with investigation overflow.  
He asked that Board Members remember to check their state email in order to receive  
and respond to requests in a timely manner.  
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Department Update  
Wysack stated that the Department will be holding another board member training on July  
14, 2021. This is a very thorough training, specific to the Occupational Code. Everyone  
is welcome to attend.  
Wysack reminded the Board Members to check their state email address regularly as it  
is the source of communication with the Department. She stated that the state email  
address is now used as the User ID for Egress, so it is important to get in the habit of  
checking the email on a regular basis.  
PUBLIC COMMENTS  
None  
ANNOUNCEMENTS  
The next regularly scheduled meeting will be held June 15, 2021 at 9:00 a.m. at the  
Ottawa Building, 611 West Ottawa Street, Upper-Level Conference Room 3, Lansing,  
Michigan.  
ADJOURNMENT  
MOTION by Hartman, seconded by Mook, to adjourn the meeting at 10:02 a.m.  
A roll call vote was taken:  
MOTION PREVAILED  
Yeas: Howard, Judeh, Mook, Watson, Wheeler, Hartman,  
Denkins  
Nays: None  
Minutes approved by the Board on June 15, 2021  
Prepared By:  
Stephanie Wysack, Board Support  
Bureau of Professional Licensing  
Prepared: March 17, 2021  
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