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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
BEFORE THE MICHIGAN PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION  
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own motion, to promulgate rules  
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and distributed generation and to  
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net metering rules.  
Case No. U-20890  
Volume No. 1  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
Proceedings held in-person and via Microsoft  
Teams in the above-entitled matter before Dennis W.  
Mack, J.D., Administrative Law Judge with MOAHR, at  
the Michigan Public Service Commission, 7109 West  
Saginaw Highway, Lake Michigan Room, Lansing,  
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Michigan, on Wednesday, October 20, 2021, at 9:03 a.m.  
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BENJAMIN J. HOLWERDA,  
Assistant Attorney General  
7109 West Saginaw, Floor 3  
Lansing, Michigan 48917  
On behalf of the Michigan Public Service  
Commission Staff  
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24 REPORTED BY: Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
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Penn Reporting, LLC - lori.penn@yahoo.com  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Wednesday, October 20, 2021  
At 9:03 a.m.  
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(Public hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
JUDGE MACK: Good morning. This is a  
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public hearing on the Michigan Public Service  
Commission's own motion to promulgate rules governing  
electric interconnection and distributed generation and  
to rescind legacy interconnection and net metering rules.  
This is Case No. U-20890.  
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My name is Dennis Mack, I'm an  
Administrative Law Judge for the Michigan Office of  
Administrative Hearings and Rules, and I will be  
conducting this public hearing today.  
We have -- Mr. Holwerda, would you like  
to enter your appearance at this time.  
MR. HOLWERDA: Certainly. Good morning,  
your Honor. Ben Holwerda appearing on behalf of  
Commission Staff.  
JUDGE MACK: Thank you. Commission Staff  
is present here today, and any questions for them  
regarding the proposed rules can be directed through  
Mr. Holwerda.  
Consistent with the September 9 of 2021  
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Order and Notice of Hearing, this is the date and time  
for the public to provide comment to the Commission on  
the proposed rules either in person or remotely. The  
Notice was published in the Grand Rapids Press, the  
Mining Journal, and the Oakland Press. In addition,  
written comment may be submitted to the Commission's  
e-docket under Case No. U-20890 by close of business on  
November 1, 2021.  
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At this point, I will note that no one  
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has appeared at the Commission's office to submit  
comment. Is there anybody who is participating remotely  
who would like to make comment on the rules?  
I will note for the record that no one  
has requested that they would -- to make comments.  
At this point, let's go off the record.  
I will come back on the record at 9:15 and see if anybody  
appears or anybody remotely wants to make comment. So  
we'll be in recess until 9:15.  
(At 9:05 a.m., there was a ten-minute recess.)  
JUDGE MACK: We are back on the record.  
No one has appeared at the Commission's office to submit  
comment. Is there anyone participating remotely who  
would like to comment on the proposed rules?  
I would like to note for the record that  
no one has requested the opportunity to submit comment,  
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so we will conclude this public hearing.  
MR. TIDWELL: Actually, Judge, if you  
don't mind me adding, for those that have been muted on  
the phone, *6 to unmute.  
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JUDGE MACK: O.K. So let's note that.  
If you want to submit comment and you are online, hit *6  
and you can indicate a desire to submit comment.  
And again, I will note no one has  
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requested the opportunity to submit comment, so we will  
conclude this public hearing. We're off the record.  
Thanks, everybody.  
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(At 9:16 a.m., the public hearing concluded.)  
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C E R T I F I C A T E  
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I, Lori Anne Penn (CSR-1315), do hereby  
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certify that I reported in stenotype via Microsoft Teams  
the proceedings had in the above-entitled matter, that  
being Case No. U-20890, before Dennis W. Mack, J.D.,  
Administrative Law Judge with Michigan Office of  
Administrative Hearings and Rules, for the Michigan  
Public Service Commission, 7109 West Saginaw Highway,  
Lansing, Michigan, on Wednesday, October 20, 2021; and do  
further certify that the foregoing transcript, consisting  
of Volume 1, pages 1-5, constitutes a true and correct  
transcript of my stenotype notes.  
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lori.penn@yahoo.com  
October 21, 2021  
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