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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
BEFORE THE MICHIGAN PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION  
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own motion, to amend the rules  
4 governing the preservation of  
records for electric, gas, and  
5 steam utilities.  
Case No. U-20735  
Volume No. 1  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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Proceedings held via Microsoft Teams in the  
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above-entitled matter before Sharon L. Feldman, J.D.,  
Administrative Law Judge with MOAHR, for the Michigan  
Public Service Commission, Lansing, Michigan, on  
Wednesday, March 24, 2021, at 11:03 a.m.  
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APPEARANCES:  
MICHAEL J. ORRIS, J.D.  
Assistant Attorney General  
7109 West Saginaw, Floor 3  
Lansing, Michigan 48917  
On behalf of the Michigan Public Service  
Commission Staff  
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MR. NICHOLAS J. CHUEY  
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Wednesday, March 24, 2021  
At 11:03 a.m.  
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(Hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
JUDGE FELDMAN: All right. On the  
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record. Good morning and welcome. We are opening the  
record of a public hearing in Michigan Public Service  
Commission Case No. U-20735, entitled In the matter, on  
the Commission's own motion, to amend the rules governing  
the preservation of records for electric, gas, and steam  
utilities. This is the date and time designated by the  
Commission in its February 18, 2021, order in this docket  
for a public hearing to solicit comments on the proposed  
rules. This public hearing is being held as a video  
teleconference hearing. The participation information  
was included in the notice of hearing, and allows for  
participation by a Microsoft Teams link or by phone.  
The Commission's publicly available  
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docket for this case shows that the notice of this  
hearing was published in the following newspapers on  
February 25, 2021: The Grand Rapids Press, The Mining  
Journal, and The Oakland Press.  
For the record, my name is Sharon  
Feldman, I'm an administrative law judge with the  
Michigan office of Administrative Hearings and Rules; and  
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my function today is to make sure that everyone who wants  
to make an oral comment on the proposed rules has the  
opportunity to do so. Additionally, I note that the  
Commission is accepting written comments on the rules  
through April 7, 2021. Written comments must reach the  
Commission prior to 5:00 p.m. on that date. As specified  
in the notice of hearing, written comments can be sent by  
mail to the Commission's office addressed to the  
Executive Secretary, Michigan Public Service Commission,  
P.O. Box 30221, Lansing, Michigan 48909, or may be  
e-mailed to the Commission's Executive Secretary at  
mpscedockets@michigan.gov. As a reminder, all  
information submitted to the Commission in this matter  
will become public information available on the  
Commission's website and subject to disclosure.  
I also want to note that Assistant  
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Attorney General Mike Orris is here. Mr. Orris, would  
you like to place your appearance on the record.  
MR. ORRIS: Good morning, your Honor.  
Assistant Attorney General Michael Orris on behalf of the  
Commission Staff.  
JUDGE FELDMAN: Thank you. Mr. Orris, it  
is my understanding that should anyone here have  
questions on the rules, you will be able to put that  
person in touch with a knowledgable member of the  
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Michigan Public Service Commission Staff to address the  
question or questions; am I correct?  
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MR. ORRIS: Yes, you are.  
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JUDGE FELDMAN: And Ms. Jana Bachman of  
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the Commission's Regulatory Affairs Division is also in  
attendance and available to answer questions.  
We have a court reporter here, and the  
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transcript of this hearing, including all comments, will  
be posted to the docket for this case which is available  
on the Commission's website. To find it on the web, go  
to mpsc.gov/mpsc, click on the button for the E-Docket,  
that's E hyphen Docket, and enter U-20735 in the search  
line. All written comments will also be posted on the  
website in the same docket.  
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In order to take comments at this point,  
it's my understanding that of all of the persons in  
attendance at the hearing this morning, so far only one  
member of the public has indicated an interest in making  
comments. So Mr. Chuey, please make your comment, and if  
you could state your full name in doing so, that would be  
appreciated.  
MR. NICHOLAS J. CHUEY: O.K. Thank you,  
Judge. My name is Nicholas J. Chuey, and I am  
representing DTE in this case.  
So my comment pertains to Rule 460.2568a,  
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that's on page 13 of the proposed changes to the rules,  
and it appears that this particular rule is changing the  
category of records from "Gas production" to  
"Manufactured Gas Plant Sites". So I can see that, you  
know, that change is plainly made, but the rule or the  
records themselves are not described or enumerated for  
MGP sites. So I see where the records for, you know, for  
the gas production are all stricken, but I don't see  
where the records for MGPs are then put in place of those  
gas production records.  
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JUDGE FELDMAN: All right.  
MR. NICHOLAS J. CHUEY: That's the extent  
of my comment.  
JUDGE FELDMAN: O.K. Thank you.  
MR. NICHOLAS J. CHUEY: And I do offer to  
provide that in written form as well.  
JUDGE FELDMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chuey, I  
really appreciate it. I appreciate your taking the time  
this morning to attend this proceeding.  
Let me ask for the record if there's  
anybody else here who would like to make a comment on the  
rules? And I don't see anything on my screen. But let  
me also ask if there's anybody calling in by phone that  
wants to make a comment? (No response.)  
All right. Thank you very much. I'm  
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going to close the record for the comment portion of this  
proceeding, but I will ask Mr. Bachman and Mr. Orris to  
remain on the -- to remain in attendance at this video  
teleconference hearing in case anybody present does have  
any questions for them. So thank you, all, very much.  
And without further ado, we are adjourned and off the  
record.  
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(At 11:10 a.m., the hearing adjourned.)  
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C E R T I F I C A T E  
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I, Lori Anne Penn, do hereby certify that I  
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reported in stenotype via Microsoft Teams the proceedings  
had in the within-entitled matter, that being Case No.  
U-20735, before Sharon L. Feldman, Administrative Law  
Judge with MOAHR, for the Michigan Public Service  
Commission, Lansing, Michigan, on Wednesday, March 24,  
2021; and do further certify that the foregoing  
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transcript, consisting of Volume 1, pgs. 1-8, is a true  
and correct transcript of my stenotype notes.  
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Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
Penn Reporting, LLC  
lori.penn@yahoo.com  
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March 25, 2021  
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