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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
MICHIGAN OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS AND RULES  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
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PUBLIC HEARING   
Tuesday, September 21, 2021  
1:00 p.m.  
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G. Mennen Williams Building Auditorium  
525 West Ottawa Street  
Lansing, Michigan    
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Re:  Pharmacy - General Rules (MOAHR #2020-128 LR)  
 
HEARING FACILITATOR:  
     Andria Ditschman  
 
Also Present:   
     Kerry Przybylo  
     LeAnn Payne        
 
 
Reported by:  Marie T. Schroeder, CSR-2183  
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I   N   D   E   X  
Comment by Jeff Towns                                       5  
 
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Lansing, Michigan    
Tuesday, September 21, 2021  
1:00 p.m.    
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(Hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
ANDRIA DITSCHMAN:  My name is Andria  
Ditschman and I am an analyst with the Bureau of  
Professional Licensing in the Department of Licensing and  
Regulatory Affairs, and I will be conducting this hearing  
today.  
This is a public hearing on proposed  
administrative rules entitled "Pharmacy - General Rules."  
We are conducting the hearing as required by the  
Administrative Procedures Act to allow the public to  
comment on the proposed changes to this rule set.  As  
with all public hearings on draft rule sets, the only  
items discussed during this hearing will be the proposed  
changes to the rule set.  This hearing will not be  
covering any questions or discussion on any other issues.  
We're calling this hearing to order at  
1:00 p.m. on September 21, 2021, at the G. Mennen  
Williams Building Auditorium at 525 West Ottawa Street in  
Lansing, Michigan.  The notice of public hearing was  
published in three newspapers of general circulation, The  
Grand Rapids Press, The Flint Journal, and the Mining  
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Journal on August 31, 2021, as well as The Michigan  
Register Issue No. 16-0221 published on September 15,  
2021.  
We're here today to receive your comments  
on the proposed rules.  If you wish to speak, please make  
sure you have signed in and indicated your willingness to  
speak.  You can use the card provided in the lobby for  
this purpose.  If you would like to speak and have not  
signed in, please do so now.  For those of you who do not  
wish to sign in with a card, you may speak at the  
microphone once we have exhausted the stack of cards  
submitted to me.  If you have comments but do not wish to  
speak, please note that the Department will also accept  
written comments e-mailed or postmarked to  
[email protected] until 5:00 p.m. today.  
All comments should relate directly to  
the proposed rules.  If you have questions about the  
rules, you may place your comments on the record and the  
Department will review and consider them.  If you have  
suggested changes to the proposed rules, please include  
the specific reasons why the changes would be in the  
public interest.  
Those making comments should clearly and  
slowly say and spell your name and advise if you are  
speaking on behalf of an organization.  We will limit  
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comments to three minutes per person.  Please remember  
that only one person should speak at a time.  
Other department staff from the Bureau of  
Professional Licensing attending today are Kerry Przybylo  
and LeAnn Payne.  
The first card I have is from Jeff -- Is  
it Tabas?  
MR. TOWNS:  Towns, like cities.  
ANDRIA DITSCHMAN:  Towns.  Jeff Towns  
from the Michigan Optometric Association.  Go ahead and  
come up to the microphone and speak.  
MR. TOWNS:  Good afternoon.  My name is  
Jeff Towns.  I represent the Michigan Optometric  
Association.  My name is spelled J-e-f-f, T-o-w-n-s.  
The purpose of my remarks today really  
relates to whether any -- As the exemptions are being  
debated, are there any considerations on waiver  
exemptions that are being considered for low volume  
prescribers, like those in optometry?  Optometrists,  
while they do prescribe and some prescribe more  
frequently than others, the access to care issue for  
patients who, should an optometrist choose to no longer  
prescribe because of the cost associated with the  
software involved in e-prescribing, that is going to  
create an issue with access to care for their patients  
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and convenience.  And so I just wanted to add those  
remarks to the record.  
ANDRIA DITSCHMAN:  Thank you.  Does  
anyone else wish to speak?  (No response.)  
We'll take a recess for 15 minutes.  
Thank you.  
(Off the record from 1:05 to 1:20 p.m.)  
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ANDRIA DITSCHMAN:  We are going to go  
back on the record here.  Is there anyone else that would  
like to make a comment on the Pharmacy - General Rules?  
(No response.)  
O.K.  Seeing none, there is no further  
comments at this time.  I hereby declare the hearing is  
closed.  The record will remain open until 5:00 p.m.  
today for any other comments you may wish to share about  
the proposed rules.  Thank you for attending.  
(At 1:22 p.m., the hearing was closed.)  
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C E R T I F I C A T E  
   I, Marie T. Schroeder, CSR-2183, do  
hereby certify that I reported in stenotype the  
proceedings had at the Public Hearing before the Bureau  
of Professional Licensing, Department of Licensing and  
Regulation, at the G. Mennen Williams Building  
Auditorium, Lansing, Michigan, on Tuesday, September 21,  
2021; and do further certify that the foregoing  
transcript, consisting of seven (7) pages, is a true and  
correct transcript of my stenotype notes.  
 
 
Digitally signed by MarieT Schroeder  
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Court Reporters Inc, ou,  
email=metrostate@sbcglobal.net,  
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MarieT  
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Date: 2021.09.23 20:28:42 -04'00'  
Marie T. Schroeder, CSR-2183  
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Dated:  September 24, 2021    
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