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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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MONDAY, OCTOBER 18, 2021  
AT ABOUT 9:00 A.M.  
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G. MENNEN WILLIAMS BUILDING AUDITORIUM  
525 W. OTTAWA STREET  
LANSING, MICHIGAN  
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RE: Architects - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2021-019 LR)  
Audiology - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2021-055 LR)  
Professional Engineers - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2021-020 LR)  
Professional Surveyors - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2021-021 LR)  
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20 HEARING FACILITATOR:  
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WESTON MacINTOSH  
Bureau of Professional Licensing  
611 W. Ottawa Street  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
ALSO PRESENT: Kerry Przybylo  
Stephanie Wysack  
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I N D E X  
2 Opening Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
3 Closing Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Monday, October 18, 2021  
At 9:00 a.m.  
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MR. MacINTOSH: My name is Weston  
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MacIntosh, and I am an analyst for the Bureau of  
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Professional Licensing in the Department of Licensing and  
Regulatory Affairs, and I will be conducting the hearing  
today.  
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This is a public hearing on proposed  
administrative rules entitled "Architects - General  
Rules", "Audiology - General Rules", "Professional  
Engineers - General Rules", and "Professional Surveyors -  
General Rules". We are conducting this hearing under the  
authority of the Administrative Procedures Act, Public  
Act 306 of 1969, on behalf of the Department of Licensing  
and Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Professional Licensing.  
We are calling this hearing to order at  
9:00 o'clock a.m. on October 18, 2021, at the G. Mennen  
Williams Building Auditorium at 525 West Ottawa Street in  
Lansing, Michigan. Publication of the notice of public  
hearing was in three newspapers of general circulation,  
including the Grand Rapids Press and the Flint Journal on  
October 5, 2021, and Mining Journal on October 5, 2021,  
as well as the Michigan Register, Issue #18, published on  
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October 15, 2021.  
We are here today to receive your  
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comments on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak,  
please make sure you have signed in and said that you  
wish to speak. You may use the cards provided in the  
lobby for this purpose. I will organize the cards by  
rule set so that the comments for that profession are in  
a group together in the transcript. If you would like to  
testify and have not signed in, please do so now. For  
those of you who do not wish to speak and who do not wish  
to sign in on a card, you may speak at the microphone  
once we have exhausted the stack of cards that you give  
to me.  
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If you have comments, please make sure  
that they relate directly to the proposed rules. If you  
have questions about the rules, please include your  
questions as part of your testimony for the Department's  
review. If you have suggested changes to the proposed  
rules, please include the specific reasons why the  
changes would be in the public interest.  
For the record, when you testify, please  
give us your name by spelling your name and your  
organization, if any, that you may be speaking for today.  
This will help the Department prepare the hearing record  
that will go before the Boards. You can give written  
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statements directly to me at the table. The Department  
will also accept written statements emailed or postmarked  
until 5:00 o'clock p.m. today.  
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The Department staff from the Bureau of  
Professional Licensing also includes Kerry Przybylo and  
Stephanie Wysack.  
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Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
the Architects - General Rules? Hearing none.  
Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
the Audiology - General Rules? Hearing none.  
Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
Professional Engineers - General Rules? And hearing  
none.  
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Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
the Professional Surveyors - General Rules? Hearing  
none.  
And if there are no other people who wish  
to speak at this time, we will take a short recess.  
(Recess from 9:03 a.m. until 9:20 a.m.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: If there are no further  
comments at this time, I hereby declare the hearing  
closed. The record will remain open until today at 5:00  
o'clock p.m. for any other comments you may wish to share  
about the proposed rules. Thank you for coming.  
(At 9:21 a.m., the public hearing concluded.)  
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I, Lori Anne Penn, certify that this  
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transcript consisting of 6 pages is a complete, true, and  
correct record of the Public Hearing held in the  
captioned matters on Monday, October 18, 2021.  
I further certify that I am not  
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responsible for any copies of this transcript not made  
under my direction or control and bearing my original  
signature.  
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I also certify that I am not a relative  
or employee of or an attorney for a party; or a relative  
or employee of an attorney for a party; or financially  
interested in the action.  
October 19, 2021  
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