MARIJUANA REGULATORY AGENCY PUBLIC HEARING  
February 12, 2020  
STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
MARIJUANA REGULATORY AGENCY  
PUBLIC HEARING  
Jupiter Conference Room  
2407 North Grand River Avenue  
Lansing, Michigan  
Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 9:30 a.m.  
PRESENT:  
MR. ANDREW BRISBO  
MS. JESSICA FOX  
MR. JOSHUA GALICKI  
MS. KELLY KRONNER  
RECORDED BY:  
Marcy A. Klingshirn, CER 6924  
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TABLE OF CONTENTS  
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Welcome and Call to Order . . . . . . . . . . . .  
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Statement by Mr. Brisbo . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Fox. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Kronner. . . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Aaron Squeo. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Steve Linder . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Geoffrey Lawrence. . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Jason Palomba. . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Jerry Young. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Katherine Kreger . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Ashley Hubbard . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Robin Schneider. . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Tim Beck . . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Cody Dekker. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Rick Thompson. . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Derryl Reed. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Devin Loker. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Jeff Ferro . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Brandon Campbell . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Derek Dobies . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Miranda Burnham. . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Roma Thurin. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Kelly Young. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Allison Ireton . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Christina Montague . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Maryrose Angelo. . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Jeffrey Hank . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Aubrey Rose. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Josey Scoggin. . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Nico Pento . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Marco Smith. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Brandon Massay . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Eric Foster. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Travis Klinger . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Matt Craven. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Nate Noel. . . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Kari Massay. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Andrea Hartdegen . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Matthew Abel . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Ms. Rebecca Colett . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Paul Samways . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Tom Farrell. . . . . . . . . . .  
Statement by Mr. Matt Ramirez . . . . . . . . . .  
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Adjournment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
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Lansing, Michigan  
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Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - 9:30 a.m.  
MS. KRONNER: I'm going to call this meeting to  
order at 9:30 a.m.  
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MR. BRISBO: Good morning, everyone. I'm Andrew  
Brisbo, the executive director of the Marijuana Regulatory  
Agency. I appreciate you all being here. Appreciate you  
all accommodating the unexpected disruption to what was a --  
what we thought was a well planned meeting and having to  
move locations. This meeting is being live streamed via the  
MRA Facebook page. Because of the constraints on the room  
and the number of people who are allowed to be in here, I  
would appreciate if after you've made your comments if you  
exit the building so we can get someone else to come in and  
make their comments. This will all be transcribed so we  
will not miss any comments and anything that's said at  
the -- during the course of the meeting will be available  
publicly after the fact as well, so you won't miss anything.  
But we do want to make sure everyone's given an opportunity.  
If there's anything you happen to miss, we will take written  
comments for I think a week, until the 17th, so you're free  
to submit additional comments in writing to the MRA after  
that.  
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To my right I have Kelly Kronner and Jessica Fox.  
They're going to be helping to coordinate the meeting. If  
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you haven't filled out a comment card, please do that just  
so we can call your name to make sure that we keep things  
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moving orderly. I think Jessica is going to announce the  
names. She'll announce the next speaker as well as the  
person that's in the queue after that just so we can keep  
moving through. And, again, we would appreciate it if after  
you've made your comments you could exit so we can get  
someone else in. That would be greatly appreciated. And  
I'm going to turn it over to Jessica. Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Good morning. This is a public hearing  
on the proposed administrative rules titled as follows:  
Marihuana Licenses - Rule Set 2019-067 LR; Marihuana  
Licensees - Rule Set 2019-068 LR; Marihuana Operations -  
Rule Set 2019-069 LR; Marihuana Sampling and Testing - Rule  
Set 2019-070 LR; Marihuana Infused and Edible Marihuana  
Products - Rule set 2019-071 LR; Marihuana Sale or  
Transfer - Rule Set 2019-072 LR; Marihuana Employees - Rule  
Set 2019-073 LR; Marihuana Hearings - Rule Set 2019-074 LR;  
Marihuana Disciplinary Proceedings - Rule Set 2019-075 LR;  
Industrial Hemp for Marihuana Businesses - Rule Set 2019-088  
LR; and Medical Marihuana Facilities - Rescinded - Rule Set  
2019-123 LR.  
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This hearing is being conducted pursuant to  
provisions required by the authority conferred on the  
Executive Director of the Agency authorized to promulgate  
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these rules based upon Section 206 of the Medical Marihuana  
Facilities Licensing Act, 2016 PA 281, MCL 333.27206,  
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Section 7 and Section 8 of the Michigan Regulation and  
Taxation of Marihuana Act, 2018 Initiated Law 1, MCL  
333.27957 and 333.27958, along with Executive Reorganization  
Order 2019-2, MCL 333.27001.  
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MS. KRONNER: This hearing was called to order at  
9:30 a.m., on February 12th, 2020. It was supposed to take  
place at the Williams Building, first floor auditorium, but  
we are at 2407 North Grand River in Lansing, Michigan. This  
hearing was published in three newspapers of general  
circulation, as well as the Michigan Register, published on  
February 1, 2020.  
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Please know that we are here today to receive your  
comments on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak,  
please fill out a comment card with your name and the rule  
number or citation that you are commenting on. When you  
come forward to speak, please state your name and the rule  
number or citation that you are commenting on so that this  
information may be transcribed in the hearing report.  
Particularity will help the staff review your comments in  
the transcript after today.  
Please try to limit your comments to three  
minutes. If you need more time, please consider submitting  
your comment to the e-mail address provided on the Notice.  
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Written comments may be submitted until Monday, February  
17th, 2020, at 5:00 p.m. Please remember that public  
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comment is an opportunity for members of the public to  
comment, not to obtain feedback, engage in dialogue, or  
receive answers from the Agency.  
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Again, please give the rule number and state your  
comments with particularity. Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: So at this time, we will begin with  
public comment. If you could please when you come to the  
microphone, say your name and spell your last name for our  
transcriptionist, that will help her out greatly. First  
will be Aaron Squeo, and Aaron will be followed by Steve  
Linder from Michigan Cannabis Manufacturers Association.  
AARON SQUEO  
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MR. AARON SQUEO: Hi. My name is Aaron Squeo.  
I'm speaking on Rule Set 2019-073 LR. Good morning. My  
name is Aaron Squeo and I currently reside in Clinton  
Township, Michigan. I have come here today to voice my  
support for a fair and stable recreational cannabis industry  
in Michigan. That's why I support a labor peace agreement  
in the regulations. Labor peace agreements make sure that  
workers have a safe environment to work in and workers who  
belong to a union are more likely to receive safety and  
technical --  
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MR. AARON SQUEO: Do you want me to start over  
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again?  
MS. KRONNER: Sure.  
MR. AARON SQUEO: Okay. Good morning. My name is  
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Aaron Squeo and I currently reside in Clinton Township,  
Michigan. I have come here today to voice my opinion for a  
fair and stable recreational cannabis industry in Michigan.  
This is why I support a labor peace agreement in the  
regulations. Labor peace agreements will make sure that  
workers are safe and the products don't hurt people.  
Workers who belong to a union are more likely to be --  
receive safety and technical training and it reduces  
workplace accidents and improves worker -- product quality.  
My father currently receives benefits from medical marijuana  
and I have to be careful about some of the brownies I eat  
when I go to his house. I just want to make sure that the  
product he's eating and is consuming are safe as well.  
Thank you for your time.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Steve Linder, from the Michigan Cannabis  
Manufacturers Association and after Mr. Linder will be  
Geoffrey Lawrence from the Reason Foundation.  
STEVE LINDER  
MR. STEVE LINDER: Good morning. My name is  
Steven Linder, L-i-n-d-e-r. I'm the executive director of  
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the Michigan Cannabis Manufacturers Association. The MCMA  
represents a number of the largest growers, processors, and  
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vertically integrated businesses in Michigan with almost  
half a billion dollars worth of investment and over 1,000  
employees. We are submitting our full review and comments  
on the rule set. I'm not here to talk about all of the  
rules today and we will discuss those with the Department.  
However, we are here today to voice our objection  
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to two of the rules contained in the rule set that if they  
are not amended will prohibit us from supporting the rule  
set at all. Those two rules are labor peace agreements and  
forced third-party sales. We don't believe that it's the  
role of the Department to use licensure as a hammer to force  
independent businesses into forming relationships with labor  
unions which will unalterably change and distort their  
workplaces. We're not opposed to labor unions, but if labor  
unions think that they have an opportunity, it is up to them  
to come and negotiate with each of the individual  
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businesses. It is not the role of the state to act as a  
brokerage agent for labor unions. We believe that it is a  
violation of the National Labor Relations Act to do so and  
we oppose this rule in its entirety.  
We are also here to voice our objection to forced  
third-party sales. It is the role of the Department to  
license and to regulate those businesses setting bars of  
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entry and making sure that standards are adhered to and  
controlling the supply chain is really not the role of  
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government, nor is it a stated role of the Department. A  
license to operate is not a license to succeed or make  
money. Businesses rise and fail based on many factors and  
distorting the system to determine that a business needs  
supply and that it's the system itself that doesn't provide  
the supply that will allow the Department to force private  
businesses who have made the investments successfully manage  
their businesses to sell to their competitors. This is not  
the role of government in our opinion and quite -- we oppose  
this rule in its entirety.  
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And just to voice how strongly we believe in  
opposing these rules, our association has already reached  
out to the legislature, to the Joint Committee on  
Administrative Rules, and made it clear that unless these  
two provisions are eliminated from the rule set, we will  
oppose the rule set in its entirety and lobby for the Joint  
Committee on Administrative Rules to not consider the rule  
set if these are contained. There are many things in the  
rules that we like and we'll be submitting those to you.  
There are things in the rules that probably need some  
tweaking and some negotiation, but these two are  
nonstarters. They are, quite frankly, lines in the sand for  
our association and we would encourage the agency to  
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eliminate these two provisions from the rule set and that we  
can get on with the business of supporting those rules that  
have a positive impact on the industry. Thank you.  
MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
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Foundation to be followed by Jason Palomba. And as a  
reminder, please speak directly into the microphone so that  
you can be heard. Thank you.  
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MR. GEOFFREY LAWRENCE: Geoffrey Lawrence,  
L-a-w-r-e-n-c-e, the Reason Foundation. I want to focus my  
comments specifically on Rule Set 2018-067 LR, specifically  
the requirement for a prospective licensee to enter a labor  
peace agreement. The Reason Foundation, our reading of this  
we see two primary legal obstacles here. First is that we  
believe this exceeds the statutory authority given to the  
Department and, secondly, we believe it violates federal  
labor law.  
As far as statutory authority, I think it's at  
best arguable that the Department's authority to issue  
qual- -- well, to determine qualifications that are directly  
and demonstrably related to the operation of a marijuana  
establishment includes the requirement for a labor peace  
agreement. I'll note from context that the statute makes no  
reference to terms like "labor peace agreement" or "labor  
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organization." So it seems, from our reading of that  
statute, it's not clear that there is statutory authority  
for this type of a new rule.  
Secondly, we believe that this requirement would  
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violate the National Labor Relations Act which reserves to  
the National Labor Relations Board the exclusive authority  
to regulate private sector labor relations. Of course,  
states have the authority to regulate those labor relations  
with state and local government employees, but in the  
private sector that is reserved to the NLRB, and this is an  
issue that has been adjudicated at length in federal courts.  
There are a number of cases I could point to, but  
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I'll point specifically to a case that was heard by the U.S.  
Supreme Court in 1987 called Golden State Transit Corp  
versus the City of Los Angeles. In this case, the court  
said the City of Los Angeles could not require this taxi cab  
company to enter into a labor peace agreement as a condition  
of being issued a license. They said that very clearly that  
this violated the authority given to the NLRB and that that  
was -- that was an exclusive authority to be exercised at  
the federal level. We see that as directly applicable to  
this proposed rule and believe that if the rule is -- in the  
future is challenged in federal court based on the series of  
precedents, which I can highlight further in written  
comments, we believe it will be overturned. Thank you.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Jason Palomba followed by Marc Gazd.  
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Jason?  
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UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Who is it?  
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MS. FOX: Jason Palomba. And as a reminder,  
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please say and spell your last name for the record, please.  
MR. JASON PALOMBA: Okay.  
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MS. FOX: Thank you.  
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MR. JASON PALOMBA: My name is Jason Palomba,  
J-a-s-o-n P-a-l-o-m-b-a, and I'm a registered voter here in  
Ingham County and I am in support of the requirements for  
the labor peace -- of the requirement for labor peace  
agreement for licenses. The requirement will ensure that  
workers will be able to choose their own -- on their own  
whether or not they want to join a union free from pressure  
from their employer or from labor organizations. As being  
part of a union myself, I enjoy the guaranteed wage  
increases, guaranteed rest periods, and most importantly the  
safety that the union affords me. Having safety committees  
is an important issue for me above and beyond OSHA. We're  
able to ensure that we're able to make the work environment  
a safe place for everyone. And I really strongly feel that  
unions are an important part of the workplace.  
MS. FOX: Thank you.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: Next will be Marc Gazd.  
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Who's after that?  
MS. FOX: Jerry Young.  
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MR. JERRY YOUNG: Good morning. Jerry Young,  
Y-o-u-n-g, commenting on Rule Set 2019-073 LR. Currently  
reside in Monroe, Michigan. Lifelong resident of Michigan.  
I've come here today to voice my support for a fair and  
stable cannabis recreational industry. I believe the labor  
peace agreements will make the cannabis industry more  
diverse. We need to ensure that women and people of color  
are able to participate in this growing cannabis industry.  
Access to representation will ensure that. Broad range of  
workers will benefit from the growing industry, especially  
workers from communities that have been disproportionately  
impacted by marijuana being illegal in the past. That's my  
comment. Thank you very much.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Thank you. Next will be Katherine  
Kreger followed by Ashley Hubbard.  
KATHERINE KREGER  
MS. KATHERINE KREGER: Good morning. My name is  
Katherine Kreger, K-r-e-g-e-r, and I'm here for the Rule Set  
2019-073 LR. I am currently a Warren resident. I have come  
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here today to voice my support for a fair and stable  
recreational cannabis industry in Michigan. I support the  
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labor peace language and the regulations. I am 46 years old  
and I have lived in Michigan for the past 32 years. I have  
four children, three grandchildren. I have been a member of  
my union for the last five years and I know what a  
difference a union can make. In my previous job I did not  
have a union and they let me go after 11 years of service.  
The marijuana industry is going to create a lot of  
jobs for Michigan and labor peace agreements will ensure  
that those jobs are good jobs. I believe that all workers  
should be treated fairly and work in safe environments. The  
cannabis industry is going to create a lot of jobs and labor  
peace will ensure that workers know what to expect from the  
jobs and they get paid good and safety training, and they'll  
have the safety training that is needed. Thanks for the  
opportunity to comment.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Ashley Hubbard, followed by Robin  
Schneider from the Michigan Cannabis Industry Association.  
ASHLEY HUBBARD  
MS. ASHLEY HUBBARD: Hello. My name is Ashley  
Hubbard, H-u-b-b-a-r-d, and I'm commenting on Rule Set  
2019-073 LR. As a resident of Detroit, Michigan, I have  
come here today to voice my support for a fair and stable  
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recreational cannabis industry in Michigan. I support the  
labor peace language in the regulations. I'm a lifelong  
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Michigander who has lived all of my 34 years here in  
Michigan. My husband and I are raising two children, an 8-  
year-old and a 3-year-old. I am not worried about my kids  
being around cannabis stores. They seem highly secure and  
not a danger to the community. I believe that all workers  
deserve to be treated fairly and work in safe environments.  
Labor peace agreements will make sure that the jobs in the  
marijuana industry are well paid, safe, and family  
sustaining jobs. Thank you for the opportunity to comment.  
MS. FOX: Thank you.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Robin Schneider, from the Michigan  
Cannabis Industry Association followed by Tim Beck, Safer  
Michigan Coalition.  
ROBIN SCHNEIDER  
MS. ROBIN SCHNEIDER: I'm Robin Schneider,  
S-c-h-n-e-i-d-e-r. I'm the executive director of the  
Michigan Cannabis Industry Association. We're the state's  
largest cannabis association representing 200 legal and  
legitimate businesses. We serve as a unified voice for our  
members who are working hard to build this exciting new  
industry. Prior to my role leading the association I served  
as the finance director for the Coalition to Regulate  
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Marijuana Like Alcohol, the ballot committee that led MRTMA  
to victory. We would like to thank the agency for all the  
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time and hard work that it has put into implementing the  
will of the voters and promulgating this set of rules before  
us today.  
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When our association launched one year ago, our  
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very first founding principle was to advocate for a fair and  
equitable licensing program. The new agency has done an  
incredible job of streamlining that process and we are  
grateful. However, recently many of our members who are in  
the middle of their build outs have run into construction  
slowdowns, issues at the county and local level, and their  
prequalifications are expiring. We would like something  
added to the rules to give them more time without having to  
reapply when their prequalifications expire, as long as  
they're actively moving their construction projects along  
to, just to give them a little more time and keep our  
industry moving along.  
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Our members would like the ability to remediate  
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as possible to get that product into the market. Our  
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fresh, frozen, trim or flower or biomass at the processors,  
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The majority of our members are opposed to the  
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not include it in the ballot initiative language and we  
don't think that the state should be including it through a  
rule set. We would like the state to reassess testing  
action limits and use rates in a meaningful way, and in  
accordance with APA guidelines, follow the rulemaking  
process to make sure they're enforceable. The rest of my  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Tim Beck, from the Safer Michigan  
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Tim Beck. I played a very, very critical role in getting  
medical marijuana passed into law in 2008, and I gave a hand  
to getting it legalized and, you know, but I never did it  
for money. Okay. So I can say what I can say because I  
don't need a license from you, okay, and I don't -- and I'm  
not a consultant for anybody. All right?  
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Now, I guess I'm addressing this to you all and  
I'm also addressing this to another person who is not in the  
room. That person's name is Gretchen Whitmer. And I say  
that because I -- Andrew and your staff, you're bright  
people in my opinion and I can't even in my wildest  
imagination see how you could come up with a cockamamie  
scheme like this. Okay? Now we all know the Governor was  
treated badly when she was in the minority in the  
legislature by the GOP. We know that she was helped by  
unions to get elected. So it's payback time. Payback for  
Republicans and a payoff, okay, to her union friends. Okay.  
I'm just telling it straight. And, you know, this is not  
going to stand. It's wrong. I'm speaking the way I can  
because there's other people that are afraid to cross you.  
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Okay? And they're not going to really want to really say  
what's really going on.  
And, again, this is crazy. It's not going to  
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stand if it's not stopped in the administrative rules  
committee. Well, the GOP was never our friend for  
legalization and the mainstream business community was never  
our friend and none of them did anything for us. But  
believe me, they don't like what you're doing with this  
labor peace agreement singling out our industry as guinea  
pigs. Okay? Yeah, guinea pigs for a failed experiment  
which some believe will lead ultimately to the forced  
licensing of anybody that needs a license. Okay. This is  
some of the fears out there. And, again, I just really hope  
this thing works out because -- and, again, I respect you  
all and I hope in the end when this thing fails, which I  
believe it will in the administrative rules or in court, I  
hope you're not hung out to dry, okay, frankly. That's how  
I see it. So I'll leave you with that. You know, hey,  
peace, love, and my condolences. Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: Cody Decker who will be followed by Rick  
Thompson.  
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MR. CODY DEKKER: My name is Cody Dekker, C-o-d-y  
D-e-k-k-e-r. Good morning. I'm here to give testimony in  
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support of the labor peace agreement rules under current  
consideration.  
My name is Cody Dekker. I am 35 years and a  
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lifetime resident of Michigan. I have worked in the  
cannabis industry here for the past nine months as a  
cannabis consultant, otherwise commonly referred to as  
budtender. Budtenders are the people who help patients  
match their medical conditions and symptoms with the  
products that will hopefully help relieve those symptoms and  
conditions. For six of those months I worked at Lake Effect  
in Portage, Michigan, and for the past three months I worked  
at Herbology at Kalamazoo, Michigan. It is clear to me that  
a labor peace agreement is presently needed in the cannabis  
industry and that currently we as workers have no  
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representation or power as the industry booms and a few  
people make millions and millions of dollars. This  
agreement would give workers the ability to join together  
and negotiate with their employers.  
I have been personally negatively impacted by the  
lack of a labor peace agreement. I was retaliated against  
and fired for simply attempting to organize my fellow  
coworkers for better wages and conditions from Lake Effect.  
This affected my health care, income, and mental health. I  
had been saving to buy my first home. Most of my savings  
had to be used to help me survive while I went with no and  
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under employment because of the illegal and unfair actions  
of this business. I have chronic health conditions that  
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makes health care especially important to my well-being.  
Worrying about not having it contributed greatly to my  
anxiety which is something that affected my quality of life  
immensely. I didn't do anything wrong to deserve that  
treatment. I worked hard and played by the rules.  
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that these negative and difficult consequences do not happen  
to other workers in my situation. Workers should feel free  
to organize for better working conditions. They should not  
fear retaliation for trying to make better lives for  
themselves. A labor peace agreement will help workers feel  
safer voicing their opinions and working together to make  
life better for everyone. By passing these rules, you will  
set a strong signal that you are on the side of Michigan  
workers. Companies that benefit from Michigan's labor force  
must be held to fair and accountable standards. This labor  
peace agreement will ensure that companies are less likely  
to engage in illegal labor practices such as in my situation  
and will protect other workers in the future which should be  
a primary concern of our elected officials.  
Workers are the lifeblood of our economy. People  
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the best conditions and highest wages possible for their  
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rules as soon as possible. People's livelihoods are at  
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following Mr. Thompson will be Derryl Reed.  
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MR. RICK THOMPSON: Good morning. Let me just say  
how great it is to attend an MRA meeting and not a -- of  
Rick Johnson. Good morning. A couple of you got it. Both  
the medical marijuana and adult use cannabis programs were  
the result of citizen directed initiatives. First and  
foremost those initiatives laid out personal freedoms and  
individual rights. The MRA has been given the  
responsibility of administering the Michigan Medical  
Marijuana Act which contains all personal protections and no  
formal business outline; the Legalization Law which outlines  
personal freedoms and citizen rights first, then describes a  
supportive business system; and the MMFLA which is an  
exclusively business regulatory program. If all the MRA  
does is focus on the issuance of licenses to businesses, you  
will have abdicated your greatest responsibility ensuring  
those personal freedoms and citizen rights are not infringed  
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upon. To fail in that role and you will fail, and made  
real, all the fears citizens have about being unable to  
trust government to run anything.  
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protection of approximately 300,000 medical consumers and  
seven million current and potential adult use consumers.  
The business licensing aspect of the MRA remains a secondary  
purpose. The prime directive is the administration and  
protection of those personal freedoms contained within  
citizen dictated laws.  
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When conflict exists between the rights of  
citizens and the rules which create advantage for business,  
the rights of citizens must always prevail. Citizen rights  
supercede business advantage every time. You cannot create  
rules which criminalize common behaviors just to provide  
protectionism for a particular license type. For example,  
the current definition of a social use lounge is overly  
broad. Other speakers will probably detail the concern  
citizens have regarding this overstep. But enacting these  
regulations will make accidental criminals out of every day  
cannabis consumers and that's the opposite of the mandate  
set forth by the passage of Prop 1.  
There are similar concerns regarding a special  
event promoter's license. I'm hearing the MRA feels that  
Hash Bash and Monroe Street fairs need to acquire a special  
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event promoter's license in order for them to operate, but  
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charge, nor are there vendors selling cannabis at either  
event; therefore, these seem to not meet the requirements of  
a special event description. No MRA approval should be  
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consumers are under attack in 2020 Michigan. Detroit's  
chief of police recently called cannabis "dope" in a recent  
interview multiple times. Brian Kelly went on Michigan  
Public Radio recently and said, "All cannabis businesses in  
Michigan are committing federal money laundering schemes  
every time they make a bank deposit and so are ancillary  
industries who never touch a plant." Now, the Michigan  
Department of Health released a series of videos portraying  
cannabis users as fat losers with no jobs or friends.  
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charged with the protection of patients and adult use  
cannabis consumers. That agency is the MRA. Prop 1 reduced  
penalties for violations of personal use laws. We made  
sharing cannabis and transfer without remuneration legal  
acts. The vote of the people sent a clear message to  
government: Stop criminalizing casual cannabis behaviors  
and get government out of our weed bags. Unless there's a  
threat to public health and safety, leave cannabis consumers  
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alone. Thank you. To whom can I leave these (indicating)  
as a copy? Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Thank you. Derryl Reed, followed by  
Devin Loker.  
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that's spelled D-e-r-r-y-l R-e-e-d. Good morning to the  
distinguished members of the MRA. You have been charged  
with holding public hearings to hear public comments on the  
proposed regulations that will implement recreational  
marijuana. I rise as a concerned citizens, as a resident of  
the 14th congressional district, a resident of West  
Bloomfield. I would like to make a few comments and ask a  
question.  
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One year ago last October I was involved in a  
serious auto accident hit from behind. After waking up in  
the hospital I was told it took the police 20 minutes to  
remove me from my car. Doctors told me I was lucky to be  
alive and even luckier I was not paralyzed. After a  
thorough examination, I was rushed into surgery where  
doctors fused my 5th, 6th, and 7th vertebrae together.  
During my recovery period I experienced excruciating pain  
and suffering, so you can understand why I completely  
support the legal use of medical and recreational marijuana,  
cannabis products.  
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I appear before you this morning not representing  
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or growers, but as a concerned resident of Michigan, Wayne,  
and Oakland County.  
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By profession I'm a marketing professional and  
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TIAA-Cref, the world's largest private pension company; a  
director of marketing in the wine and spirits industry; and  
a director of marketing with Ameritech and a member of their  
steering committee for their political action committee  
working with members of Congress just to mention a few of  
the positions I have held in my career. In addition, I have  
served on the advisory board and board of directors for  
multiple colleges and universities.  
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As you know, it is estimated that adult use of  
cannabis in Michigan could exceed $650 million by 2022.  
That number got my attention is why I'm here today. As a  
marketer, not only do I pay attention to what is going on,  
but also focus on details and how things will be done.  
After a preliminary research of information about  
how this program would be implemented, although not an  
exhaustive study, I came across a recommendation by one of  
the unions. Their recommendations made a lot of sense to  
me. It was called the labor peace agreement. I support the  
concepts in this proposal and urge the MRA to incorporate  
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these recommendations in your final guidelines and will  
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regulate -- they will regulate the use and sale of  
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My two primary concerns are this. Number one,  
diversity. There is a need to address diversity in the  
marketplace by providing equal opportunity for women, people  
of color, LGBTQ individuals, veterans, and people's with  
disability to own businesses at an affordable price, or who  
want to work within the industry. After all, these are also  
taxpayers. The second one is fair compensation is needed.  
Since the industry is projected to be a $650 million  
industry, employees in this industry, like employees at  
Walmart, must receive fair living wages, health insurance,  
paid vacation, and retirement benefits.  
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My two questions for you to consider during your  
deliberation is what will the Michigan Marijuana Regulatory  
Agency do to ensure diversity at all levels in the industry,  
at all levels of employment? And number two, what will the  
Michigan Marijuana Regulatory Agency to ensure fair  
compensation at all levels of employment and that licensees  
invest resources back into the communities in which they  
generate revenue to enhance those communities? Thank you  
very much, Derryl Reed, a concerned citizen. Thank you.  
MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Devin Loker followed by Jeff Ferro.  
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putting this on this morning. I've really just got one  
particular issue to discuss. Around a year ago we went from  
under 40 pre-quals at the licensing meetings to over a  
hundred. So here and going forward we're going to have a  
lot of pre-quals come up on their one-year timeline, whether  
there may be an extension or may be a denial, whether it's a  
30-day extension policy that gets -- looks like is being  
developed is probably not realistic for any of these  
cultivation facilities. Anybody that got pre-qual'd and  
then went out for a municipality to hunt for real estate  
really doesn't have that kind of timeline to build a  
cultivation facility. Extensions like 30 days may work for  
retailers, but any grower is going to have a hard time  
putting that together in under a year. So maybe we look  
more at an extension that is a year, maybe these things  
should go in perpetuity. But simply demanding that these  
pre-qualified applicants go back to the beginning, withdraw  
their step two and act like they're stopping their project  
and give another 6,000 up, they just don't have the  
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bandwidth to stop the project that they're doing. They need  
to meet with electricians and HVAC and builders and not go  
back to my office to talk about application work. So we  
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one-year extension at a minimum. Thank you.  
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Director Brisbo, thank you very much for putting this  
together after the challenges we had. The more you work  
around cannabis, you'll find that this stuff happens  
everywhere and all the time. So you really pulled it  
together well.  
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I -- my name is Jeff Ferro. I run the Cannabis  
Bookers Rising program for the UFCW International. As a  
side gig, I was one of the 7,000 persons in California that  
requested to be on the advisory committee under Prop 64. I  
was selected by the Department of Consumer Affairs and then  
elected by stakeholders which included operators, ancillary  
businesses, health care professionals, law enforcement, and  
I'm the chair of that committee for the state of California.  
So I've gone through the emergency reg process and  
recommending. I've gone through the permanent reg, and now  
we're kind of been looking at what the permanent regs look  
like and what we do to fix them. My procedure was let's  
build a foundation that we can build from, let's not build a  
straw house that can flop.  
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So I'm really here today to talk about labor peace  
because that's my real background. I -- you know, I think  
it's good for the state. It's good for workers. It's  
actually good for employers, at least the kind of employers  
that want to do great by the state, and the reason I say  
that, because there's really no negatives. There's plenty  
of employers that we've talked to in the multiple states  
that have this that we don't end up organizing. It's the  
worker's choice and sometimes it also the employer is not in  
a position to be able to handle those kind of challenges or  
prepared to do the really difficult things that are required  
to track and -- they're worrying about running their  
business and we understand that. So we don't pressure those  
folks. But what we do try to do is set a standard. So even  
if they're not union, they know that they're going to set  
the high standards to ensure that consumers are protected.  
They're going to employ people that reflect their community.  
They're going to, you know, institute processes that allow  
workers to be trained and skilled so they're not pigeon  
holed only into this industry, that they develop skills,  
whether they're cultivating, manufacturing, retailing, or  
doing testing processes and those processes hopefully will  
be something that allows a confidence for the consumers,  
doctors and everybody else. So it has an expanding effect  
for the industry. You'll get more support.  
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Again, we think labor peace is a really important  
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employers. You know, what our members, what future members,  
and what workers need in here are often the same challenges  
that employers have, whether that's access to banking,  
responsible taxation, access to real estate, local  
governments challenges on licensing; all the things we've  
heard people talk about here, they're the challenges to our  
members. Their ability to grow in this industry, their  
ability to own in this industry are all tied to the  
foundation that you create now and those foundations will be  
better if there's labor peace and we can work with employers  
in this industry. So with that, I thank you for your time  
and good luck with your deliberation.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Brandon Campbell and up next will be  
Tonya Mora. And as a reminder, please spell your last name.  
MR. BRANDON CAMPBELL: Okay.  
MS. FOX: Thank you.  
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MR. BRANDON CAMPBELL: My name is Brandon  
Campbell, C-a-m-p-b-e-l-l. Two things, one is a  
clarification and one is a suggestion. As far as the  
clarification goes, that's -- for me, it's more of the micro  
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flowering and veg. There seems to be a little bit of gray  
area on the quantity of plants. And then as far as a  
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suggestion would be for a caregiver. It seems like the law  
is kind of set up to put caregivers in a gray area with the  
amount of product that you can process from a plant. I was  
wondering if the MRA is doing any considerations in possibly  
getting some sort of licensing or avenue for caregivers to  
move their product to processors or dispensaries, one, to  
help get it off the street and keep it into a taxable  
scenario and to also help prevent caregivers from kind of  
being in a gray area and kind of unprotected from the law  
with the intent it was designed for. So that's really my  
two things that I'd like to bring up.  
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MS. FOX: Tonya Mora? Next will be Derek Dobies  
to be followed by Miranda Burnham.  
DEREK DOBIES  
MR. DEREK DOBIES: Thank you. I'm here to speak  
in support of the regulations. I'm the mayor of Jackson,  
Michigan, birthplace of the Republican party, a city that  
has 38 percent of the city living under the federal poverty  
level.  
We've been hit hard by the consequences and the  
disparate impact of the criminalization of marijuana. We  
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of the proximity of our meeting to the election, the first  
community to opt into adult use marijuana. With the  
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legalization of medical and adult use in the state, we  
believe it presents an opportunity for both the state and  
municipalities across our state to think intentionally about  
the ways in which we craft policy, to reverse that impact  
and help create a more equitable playing field for those  
most harmed under the previous system. That's why I'm here  
today to speak in support of a fair and stable recreational  
cannabis industry in Michigan and why I also support labor  
peace language in those regulations.  
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We believe this new industry combined with a well  
regulated market creates an opportunity for more stable and  
sustainable business climate and allows for the equitable  
redevelopment of urban corridors like Jackson. That's  
exactly the approach that we've taken in constructing our  
own regulatory environment in Jackson. We've incorporated  
rigorous building design standards and other worker oriented  
policies and scoring criteria that allows to ensure that new  
businesses and developments coming into our community are  
good for our community.  
Jackson has positioned itself to gain the fruits  
of that labor through multimillion dollar developments  
slated for preliminary license approval just in the last two  
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have clear span buildings, large amounts of fenestration,  
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attractive design features, but they've also committed to  
paying their workers more than double the minimum wage,  
providing them with health care with no more than 1,000  
percent out-of-pocket costs, six percent deferred comp for  
retirement, and those that are building the buildings will  
be paid at least ten percent over Davis-Bacon wages. These  
were just some of the conditions in our scoring criteria and  
those commitments are a win for cities like Jackson. And  
under those criteria, businesses are still tripping over  
themselves to get the most points in our criteria to get --  
to secure a license because they believe that they can still  
turn a profit even under those rigorous standards.  
Our criteria coupled with the initial approval of  
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only a few licenses provides a great amount of competition  
for businesses to actually compete to pay their workers more  
and to give them better benefits. Regulation of the  
marketing and control of the licensing process allows for  
market stability, provides those businesses and investors  
the confidence to know that they can invest large sums of  
capital and not have their market share depleted before  
establishing themselves.  
As a mayor that works with businesses every day I  
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why labor peace agreements -- or that's what labor peace  
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relationships between labor and management. Entrepreneurs  
and developers investing in this industry have certain  
assurances from their labor force so that they can have the  
confidence that they'll generate a fair return on their  
profit. They also assure those jobs, local jobs, are well  
paid, safe, and family sustaining jobs. Labor peace  
agreements are going to reward responsible businesses,  
ensure that Michigan's cannabis industry is driven by  
companies committed to making long term investments in local  
communities, in urban corridors like Jackson. We have an  
opportunity to ensure these businesses don't just become the  
next liquor store on the corner and that that's accomplished  
by high standards and giving workers the power through labor  
peace agreements.  
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because we've held ourselves to a higher standard, held  
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design standards, among other factors, past policies to  
prohibit discrimination in the workplace and unfair labor  
practices, partnered with the business community to create  
sustainable, equitable growth in our city. And we've taken  
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the time to build a local regulatory environment to ensure  
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agreements, and give the industry more tools to support  
communities like Jackson. So, thanks for the opportunity to  
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MS. MIRANDA BURNHAM: Hello. I'm Miranda Burnham,  
B-u-r-n-h-a-m. I'm a student at Oakland University. I'm a  
senior in the environmental health and safety program. I  
also worked nine years in the automotive packaging industry  
to support green initiatives for GM for their zero waste  
policies, or plans, goals.  
This semester my water quality course challenged  
students to review regulations on sustainability. The paper  
that I wrote on marijuana waste removal, which is next to  
Jessica, that is endorsed by the Michigan Cannabis Industry  
Association. Current legislation limits the waste stream to  
landfill, compost, in-vessel digestion, and incineration.  
These methods do not consider landfill capacity issues, air  
quality concerns, or environmental impacts that cannabis  
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waste can influence. New technology from Canada offers the  
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for human consumption or for plant consumption. The plant  
itself is 80 percent water, so to incinerate it is kind of  
wasteful with that. There's also remediation technology and  
extraction processes that exist to remove the active  
pharmaceutical ingredients from marijuana such as the THC  
and the terpenes which essentially renders it as harmless as  
hemp, meaning it can be reused and recycled. But right now  
the way that the standard is worded, it doesn't allow for  
that.  
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Limiting waste streams discourages entrepreneurs  
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encourage the research and design towards the future of  
innovative technologies that allow more sustainable methods  
for the disposal/reuse/recycling of marijuana or cannabis  
products, the law needs to be less restrictive to allow for  
that technology to be developed. Verbiage as simple as  
adding a Rule 37(5)(e) -- right now it stops at (d) -- this  
might say "or an alternative method not listed with written  
approval from the state." So it would give the flexibility  
for new technology to be developed, but also to be used by  
the industry. Thank you for your time.  
MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: Roma Thurin and after Roma will be Kelly  
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Group. I am in support of the rules and I am not going to  
speak to several of the global matters such as labor peace  
agreements and extending prequalification, which I was  
scheduled to, but I want to put on record some of the more  
technical matters that impact my clients.  
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First, Rule 420.204, allowing vertically  
integrated entities to have one interest and exit point of  
entry versus multiple, that would help, too. My  
recommendation is to remove that unnecessary requirement.  
420.204, having one camera system versus multiple camera  
systems for vertically integrated entities, I would suggest  
that. It could help coordinate and allow the IT departments  
of those various different licensees to regulate how they  
utilize their equipment within their facilities. Escorting  
non-employee individuals, perhaps we could put some language  
in 420.209(2) where we have trusted contractors that come  
into these facilities that have been thoroughly screened to  
be able to do the work that's necessary, requiring an  
employer to escort someone in the facility the entire time.  
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it's a lot of a requirement on a particular licensee. To  
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the agencies could consider motion sensor cameras instead  
of -- and taking out the recommendations to take out the  
continuously operating will be helpful. That's in 402.209.  
Waste management onsite, the requirement of bringing  
additional outside materials into a facility adding possibly  
additional contamination, not keeping the facility sanitary,  
that would be 420.011. I have lots to say about heavy metal  
testing, but I will reserve that for writing.  
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But I do appreciate when changes are made that  
there's some language added into the rules that will allow  
for a grace period. I believe when the nickel change came  
on board, the agency did allow for that to occur but from  
some notice up front with any changes into the rules and  
regulations and testing requirements in them allowing a gray  
spirit to exist would be helpful, especially in implementing  
new standards.  
Testing product when you're co-located, moving  
that. I know that there's been some movement to allow  
entities to ask for particular permission from the agency  
and for various different matters. I represent small to  
mid-size entities and to be able to have that information  
shared throughout the industry would be helpful. A lot of  
smaller operators do not have the ability to -- or don't  
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understand and they are learning and gaining to that point,  
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And then just to bring up again the opportunity to  
allow technology to play its rightful role in the mediation  
and I believe that is in Rule 333.246. Also, just to also  
consider with the shortage of product. If you are going to  
impose a rule where you're restricting -- if the rule is  
changed so that people are allowed to restrict sale of  
products to who they want to sell that product to, I think  
you should counter that with allowing caregiver product to  
be allowed to come into the marketplace. Thank you.  
MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
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KELLY YOUNG  
MS. KELLY YOUNG: Good morning. My name is Kelly  
Young, K-e-l-l-y, last name Y-o-u-n-g. And I have been  
following this path for a couple of years now and just want  
to congratulate you guys and say thank you very much --  
MS. KRONNER: Can you speak into the mic? Sorry.  
MS. KELLY YOUNG: Oh, yeah. I wanted to  
congratulate you guys on your hard work and also thank you  
very much. The progress that you've made in this last year  
is huge. And as I'm looking to getting my licensing, you  
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know, I've been tossing between whether I'll be large or  
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to be able to kind of work like the cottage industry. I  
came from the grocery store background and so when I look at  
GNP standards for some smaller entities, I look at it as  
inhibiting that small entrepreneur in being able to kind of  
get their feet onto the ground. And so when I look at the  
MMRTMA and the laws that we passed as voters and wanting to  
regulate marijuana like alcohol, I often think back of,  
well, is -- you know, are the things that we're setting  
forth for cannabis, are they inhibiting the small person or  
are they really working with the -- the -- the small person  
to be able to get their feet on their ground?  
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So couple things, the labor peace agreement, I  
look at it, you know, for me, I've hired people at $30 an  
hour. I can't necessarily afford it, but I know that that's  
the right thing to come back into my -- my communities.  
However, if I was mandated to have to be a union and maybe  
just a microbusiness and having only five employees, that  
doesn't necessarily make sense for me. And so maybe if  
you're looking at labor peace agreements, look at the size  
of the company, the amount of profit and revenue that  
they're bringing in, and look at standards that they would  
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person. You know, we have state laws on employment and how  
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last night and as I did my own ballot initiative in my local  
town, which will get voted on here in a few weeks, you know,  
one of the things that I noticed was a difference between  
the MMFLA and the MMRTMA in regards to cultivation. And  
maybe I misunderstood, but I would just ask for some  
congruency there, that based on each local municipality and  
what they're zoned for, having that dictate what types of  
businesses are eligible to be in what types of location.  
So, for example, I wrote as an excuse to allow for  
cultivation processing because that's all that my little  
village has. We don't have industrial that made sense. And  
so I would ask for you to take a look at -- at giving that  
power back to whatever that local municipality is or what  
the people voted for. So with that being said, I just want  
to thank you very much for your time and keep up the hard  
work.  
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MS. FOX: Allison Ireton who will be followed by  
Christina Montague.  
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MS. ALLISON IRETON: Good morning. My name is  
Allison Ireton, I-r-e-t-o-n, and I'm from Huron Valley Law  
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self-funded entrepreneurs that have a few million personally  
invested and in loans, but they are not, you know, beholden  
to private equity or outside of the state of Michigan  
investors, just so you get an idea of who I'm speaking on  
behalf of.  
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I'm here to talk today about two things, primarily  
the testing protocols and then secondarily the labor peace  
agreements. First of all, for the processors that I  
represent and the growers that I represent, testing  
protocols new and changed or, you know, change limits seem  
to come out with no warning. There's no kind of, like,  
heads up, "Hey, we're going to start testing for this." And  
that -- that I thought was just curious because if you think  
something is going to be an issue, maybe you talk about it  
in a forum like this first, get some feedback, get some  
input from real scientists, and then say, you know, "we're  
going to roll this out." And with the exception of the vape  
cartridge -- you know, I understand the emergency that the  
vape cartridge crisis, you know, presented and people were  
happy to comply with that and understood why. I'm not a  
scientist, but several of my friends are that teach at the  
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professors, researchers. When we go on our weekend run and  
I talk to them about all the testing changes that are going  
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on, they kind of scratch their heads and they're like,  
"Where's the science behind this? Why did they do this" and  
"Why did they do that" and I don't have an answer for them.  
And I show them the documents and I show them the testing  
protocols and they're just like, "This isn't science." So I  
would appreciate, my clients would appreciate a heads up, an  
ability to give feedback, an ability to talk to a scientist,  
"Is this a real concern or not?" So with -- specifically  
with the testing protocols, remediation for TYM, total yeast  
and mold, why is it only allowed to be tested twice? Why  
not a third time? Testing is not exact. They take random  
samples. So sometimes it passes and then the second test  
fails after the remediation has been done and it fails by a  
hair. So why not allow that person to go back a third time?  
If they're willing to pay the cost to keep retesting, why  
not allow that third -- the third try? If you give me a  
scientific reason of why that's dangerous to the public,  
that's fine. I'll stop arguing for it. But until I hear  
that, it makes no sense.  
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TYM but it passes for rec because they're two different  
levels or adult use, allow a hundred percent of that to be  
transferred into adult use, not just 50 percent. So that  
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I wasn't planning on speaking about them today, but I heard  
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a lot of things today out in the hallway that just don't  
make any sense to me when people -- about people's  
impression of what labor peace agreements are here to fix or  
what they might cure. But, you know, the market is taking  
care of wages. People are making way higher wages.  
Competition for trained budtenders is fierce. I know I'm  
out of time so I'll put the rest of my comments in writing.  
But I heard a lot of things that just labor peace agreements  
would not address and things that aren't even problems.  
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CHRISTINA MONTAGUE  
MS. CHRISTINA MONTAGUE: Last name is Montague, M-  
o-n-t-a-g-u-e, first name is Christina. I've come today to  
speak about the lack of diversity in the industry of working  
with and reaching out to people to get product for your  
business and things. And I want to tell you, everything in  
this industry is not fair and equal when you're a African  
American woman.  
The other thing I want to talk about is when you  
get sued because somebody just wants your location. You're  
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in your spot legally, you went through everything your local  
people have asked you, your local government, and then you  
get sued and then you have people harassing, threatening you  
that, "We are going to bankrupt you and bankrupt your  
business." I think there should be some avenue where people  
like myself can go to some kind of watchdog, maybe  
affiliated with the Attorney General's office. I should not  
have to spend $100,000 just to be safe, run my business  
legally, and, of course, pay the attorneys. I just think  
that we can do it better. And as a black woman been paying  
taxes all my life, been working in the system, elected  
official, I think I deserve better than this. We deserve  
better than this. We should be able -- and I've heard white  
guys who've told me it happened to them. It's just some  
people who think they can come in, they got -- they got  
clients with a lot of money and they sue you and all they  
want is your location and you have to fight.  
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MS. FOX: Thank you. Maryrose Angelo, who will be  
followed by Jeffrey Hank.  
MARYROSE ANGELO  
MS. MARYROSE ANGELO: Hello. Good morning. My  
name is Maryrose Angelo, M-a-r-y-r-o-s-e A-n-g-e-l-o. I am  
a caregiver here in Michigan. I've been a caregiver for  
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processor. Before that I was in over 50 stores on my own.  
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for March 1st. You guys want to pull caregiver products  
from the processors on March 1st and the micro business laws  
aren't even finished being written. That is our next  
outlet. We've done everything that we can to follow  
standards and compliance via Metrc and LARA and I'm asking  
for an extension in the deadline for caregiver edibles that  
are already in Metrc and passing. I've been working with a  
state licensed lab for over three years and we've never  
failed. So my question is why does our business have to  
stop on March 1st while we're going for licensing for the  
micro business which is not going to happen overnight, or at  
least for another however long that's going to take. So  
that is my questions this morning and, yeah, thank you very  
much.  
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MS. ROGERS: Jeffrey Hank, who will be followed by  
Conner Steinwascher.  
JEFFREY HANK  
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a-n-k. I was one of the drafters of Prop 1. I'm also a  
business owner and employee, so I look at this in a lot of  
different ways. I like to joke around that I like to take  
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credit for all the good stuff in the law and blame the  
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the bad stuff. But a couple few points, testing, we've got  
to get rid of nickel, copper, chromium. A lot of other  
states do not have those requirements. I have heard from  
multiple people there is a conspiracy amongst the big  
growers in the state to implement GNP and testing standards  
which would prevent outdoor and organic growing. It is more  
environmentally safe and better for all of us and for  
patients and customers to have product in the system. We  
need product in the system. We need supply. If the testing  
standards are too tough, it will create a further supply  
shortage. We don't need to be growing in warehouses all the  
time. It's good to grow on farms and in greenhouses.  
Michigan soil has nickel, chromium, copper, these things.  
Other states don't even test for that. So just looking at  
the testing standards, which you've heard from, including  
batch testing, is important and to change that so we ensure  
as many farmers as possible have an opportunity to grow,  
particularly small farmers.  
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expand the social equity program to allow social equity  
applicants to apply in other communities. Since it's  
limited at this point, most of those communities have not  
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Lansing, you can look at Saginaw. A lot of these places  
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have a different standard other than the 50.1 percent  
majority ownership would expand opportunity which is  
important, which this whole law is about. It's about  
opportunity. It would create jobs. Just the same thing  
with the testing standards. Testing standards are too  
tight, we don't create jobs, we don't create tax revenue.  
We keep the unlicensed market going and we avoid -- we don't  
get all the benefits we're supposed to get.  
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need rules that would allow for food and beverage at these  
places. I understand there's local health departments and  
all that, let them do their thing. But at the MRA level for  
a viable business and just for common sense, I think we  
ought to be able to have food and beverage as part of that.  
So, let's see, we've covered testing, we've  
covered the need to expand, social equity. We covered  
designated consumption lounges and I had one other one but I  
think I'll leave it at that. Thank you very much.  
MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Conner Steinwascher? Aubrey Rose, who  
will be followed by Josey Scoggin.  
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MS. AUBREY ROSE: Good morning. My name is Aubrey  
Rose. I am here just to show you the patient side of things  
as well as the employees of caregivers. I quit my full-time  
job about four months ago now to work for a caregiver full-  
time because they were able to get in through Metrc, pass  
all of the testing. I am also a patient so that, you know,  
is another side. If we stop allowing caregiver product into  
dispensaries, it very limits the edibles and the  
dispensaries to be made with distillate only. I have  
scoliosis back pain along with IBS and that's what I use the  
edibles for. Distillate does not solve those problems for  
me. So I would just like to have an extension on that so I  
could, you know, keep my job while we work on other  
licensing, and then also have better access to medication.  
Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: Josey Scoggin, who will be followed by  
Nico Pento.  
JOSEY SCOGGIN  
MS. JOSEY SCOGGIN: My name is Josey from Benton  
Harbor, so represent. I have worked exclusively in the  
industry for nine years. I was the first minor patient here  
in Michigan. I have a daughter who's 4-years-old.  
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MS. JOSEY SCOGGIN: Do I have to restart?  
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MS. JOSEY SCOGGIN: This is service. You guys do  
this? Amazing. MRA is doing it. My name is Josey. I'm  
from Benton Harbor. Represent. I've worked exclusively in  
the industry for nine years. I was the first minor patient  
here in the state of Michigan. I love the state of Michigan  
not only because we have the most coastline, but because  
we're doing things that make sense. We're legalizing  
marijuana with social equity. We're legalizing marijuana  
with provisions for labor peace agreements. Working  
exclusively in the industry I have worked in gray markets, I  
have worked in black markets, and I have worked in legal  
markets. I have a bachelor's degree in HR, in human  
resources, and I think I can speak articulately.  
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don't know how many of you are familiar with Portage, but  
the average one-bedroom apartment is about $1200 a month,  
also the price of my rent. So I turned that one down pretty  
quickly. I've never been offered a 401(k) or health  
insurance. When I first got into the legal market I was so  
excited. We're going to get health insurance.  
I had been kicked off my -- I feel like it's  
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important to tell you I had been kicked off my insurance  
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provides help to people under 21 who are disabled before  
they're 21. So now my insurance, which would use to cover  
doctor's visits and hospitals and medications, were all out-  
of-pocket and it costs me about $87 to refill my  
prescription of 800 milligram ibuprofen twice a month. I  
haven't had any prescription refills since we started legal  
markets. I also haven't been to a doctor in, like, three  
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mistakenly believing that the labor peace agreements means  
unionizing or requiring the union to come in and it's just  
opening a conversation. So I really want to commend you  
guys for doing common sense things. I think this is  
amazing. I'm totally 100 percent and in support of the  
labor peace agreements. Thank you.  
MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Nico Pento, who will be followed by  
Marco Smith.  
NICO PENTO  
MR. NICO PENTO: Good morning. My name is Nico  
Pento, last name P-e-n-t-o. Just want to take a moment and  
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these rules done as expeditiously as possible. I have a  
number of comments that I'll be submitting in writing  
because they're, you know, very nuanced. But one thing I  
wanted to bring to attention today is Rule 420.304,  
specifically (2)(b) which talks about the sample size for  
harvest batches. It requires right now in written rule five  
percent of whatever your harvest batch is and the limit on  
the harvest batch is 15 pounds. So if we do the math on  
that, that equals three-quarters of a pound of a sample size  
for testing. That's just too much marijuana to send to the  
lab. Current practices are usually around a few grams of a  
harvest batch to get an accurate sample, and so I would just  
strongly encourage you to reconsider that five percent of  
the harvest batch because it's just very large. And I'll be  
submitting deeper dive comments in writing, but I want to  
put that on notice. Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: Marco Smith and after Mr. Smith will be  
Brandon Massay.  
MARCO SMITH  
MR. MARCO SMITH: Good morning. My name is Marco  
Smith and I currently reside in Charlotte, Michigan. I have  
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to voice my support for a fair and stable recreational  
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labor peace language and the regulations for both renewals  
and initial license applications. The marijuana industry is  
going to create a lot of jobs for Michigan and labor peace  
agreement will ensure that those jobs are good jobs. There  
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that deters workers from having a united voice, everyone in  
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mistake in this industry as we have in others. We have the  
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show other states why Michigan is a great place to live,  
work, and raise a family. I am raising my family here and I  
have a child on the way. I want my kids to have the same  
chance to have their voices united and heard when they enter  
the workforce as I have. Thank you for the opportunity to  
testify today.  
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MS. FOX: Brandon Massay, who will be followed by  
Eric Foster.  
BRANDON MASSAY  
MR. BRANDON MASSAY: Hello. My name is Brandon  
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Something I've wanted to address for quite awhile is that in  
my opinion as a grower, the licenses should not be based on  
the number of plant counts. It should be based on power  
consumption used. Most properties will have a 200 amp power  
count and you can roughly get about 30 lights out of those  
200 amps as well as all your auxiliary systems. Underneath  
of those 30 lights you could grow one plant a light. You  
could grow a big plant and you could get 30 pounds of your,  
you know, depending on how that's divvied out. Now, you  
also with those same 30 lights, you could put 16 little  
plants under each light in which case you would 480 plants.  
You would still only get the same 30 pounds. So a more  
appropriate way to judge how the growers are going to be  
sized is going to be based on power consumption.  
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that would allow you to buy a transformer from the power  
company, 800 amps, 1600 amps. What this is going to do is  
this is going to allow the -- all of the grows to get a  
better idea of what they're actually producing. If a  
grow -- when I see some of these bigger grows stack their  
licenses and they're saying "I've got six of these 1500  
plant count licenses" -- so what is that, six would be  
three, like, 18 -- whatever that math is, are they small  
plants or are they big plants? Is this a huge factory  
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operation or are they basically going from Solo cups to one  
gallons and then flipping it? So I know that's a totally  
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for how the product is produced and how the different size,  
scales of businesses are licensed. So thank you.  
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MR. ERIC FOSTER: All right. I guess we're on.  
First I want to say thank you, Andrew, and the team. You  
all have done great work and in my opinion as you're  
stewarding this new industry which I liken from an analogy  
vantage point as to a 15-month-old, when my sons were coming  
up, the things that you have to do in terms of the  
excitement and the growth, but then the -- also the prudence  
of guidance and communication. So you all have done great  
work in that aspect. So thank you.  
A few things I wanted to mention today, one --  
and, actually, just kind of add into something that the  
gentleman before me was saying. Possibly as this industry  
is evolving, the medical and the recreational side, the  
creation of a innovation council where you can have those  
that are either on the ancillary supply side as well as  
within the intra-industry side, to work together to look at  
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innovative techniques, approaches, and solutions that can be  
cascaded across the industry that can allow for improvements  
and advancements in production, manufacturing, retail  
distribution, testing, and research compliance. So that's  
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one is continuing to do the things that you're doing and  
ensure that we have two viable commercial markets, a medical  
market and a recreational market. One of the challenges of  
why we're not going to be able to get any change federally  
in terms of decriminalization, descheduling, and  
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have in some instances rushed to flip from medical to only  
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in DC wherein you have a Colorado or a Pennsylvania that has  
the potential to be -- and Massachusetts -- strong, dual,  
medical, and recreational markets. And doing everything we  
can in Michigan to ensure both is critical for us to be a  
demonstrative that the medical side is really for health  
care and patient access and advancements and addressing  
health issues and separately the recreational is the civil  
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governments, a few things to think about. One is from an  
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a one to one and a half percent tax that could be applied to  
them that could be earmarked towards the local community,  
the local county, and the local school district of the host  
community where those businesses operate. It gives them  
additional tools for the community to be able to invest and  
demonstrate value from the industry.  
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we're doing it on both sides, the medical side and the  
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recreational. But in some of our more mature states that  
have those programs for the medical side like Massachusetts  
and Colorad- -- well, not so much Colorado but Massachusetts  
and Illinois, ensuring that we work to infuse those  
activities into the medical side because we're still, five  
years from now, going to have licensees that are only  
medical providers and we're going to have dual and we're  
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going to have just rec. So making sure we're doing that.  
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item to what Pennsylvania has in their Chapter 19 and 20 in  
their statutes for medical marijuana research would be a  
Michigan Medical Marijuana Research Act. So it's something  
that hopefully between the agency, but then also the  
industry can be supportive of because we can codify things  
on a state level with the Blumenauer Amendment as our  
backdrop like Pennsylvania is doing and really push research  
and address the questions and concerns of efficacy, potency,  
but also health impacts and improve on a health justice  
dynamic. Thank you. That's everything.  
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MS. KRONNER: Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Travis Klinger, who will be followed by  
Matt Craven.  
TRAVIS KLINGER  
MR. TRAVIS KLINGER: Good morning. My name is  
Travis Klinger, K-l-i-n-g-e-r. I'm actually a city  
commissioner in the city of Sturgis, Michigan about a mile  
and a half from the Indiana border. A couple things I  
wanted to touch on today. One was consumption lounges or  
the licensing on them. The idea of a consumption lounge is  
quite an idea for this industry. It's something very new  
that no someone's -- no one's ever tried before. With the  
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limitations you've currently set on them, whether it be with  
the FDA rulings of no food and drink for beverages allowed  
within the establishment, that limits the -- the overall  
viability of the business model. Looking at these down the  
line as a city commissioner as we saw these emergency rules  
come into play, the discussion came up of what exactly does  
a consumption lounge do and does it benefit anyone in the  
long run? Yes, as a consumer it does, very clear.  
Unfortunately, though, without the allowance by the  
municipalities to opt in and allow those consumption  
lounges, places like ours at the border, like I said, nearly  
a mile and a half from the Indiana border with high  
fluctuation of traffic coming in and out from outside  
tourists, we run the risk of being that -- being that stigma  
that still exists that we're allowing illegal activity to  
leave out state. So, of course, the state of Indiana at  
this time.  
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be maybe adaptive language or adaptive licensing that offers  
provisioning centers, recreational provisioning centers the  
allowance for consumption as well, or possibly opening up  
the doors for food and beverage sales and allowing ancillary  
businesses to provide to those consumption lounges.  
The other thing I had to communicate about today  
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it this morning -- and that was the recent ad campaign that  
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As the MRA, we would expect and hope that you would protect  
the positive and safe use and distribution of cannabis to  
consumers in the state of Michigan, but that ad campaign  
from my understanding, was supported and funded by the  
Medical Marijuana Operations and Oversight Grant Program  
through a health department somewhere in the state. That is  
not -- that does not accompany the overall goal of the MRA  
to allow safe access and to create a safe response for  
cannabis. I'd suggest maybe something along the lines of  
creating an entity within the MRA, whether it be a branch  
that oversees that or just maybe some oversight. You guys  
are already here to regulate. Why not regulate what is  
going out as far as the communication and the marketing for  
safe access to cannabis? I appreciate your guys' time.  
Thank you very much.  
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MS. FOX: Matt Craven, who will be followed by  
Nate Noel.  
MATT CRAVEN  
MR. MATT CRAVEN: Hello. My name is Matt Craven,  
C-r-a-v-e-n. I'm here to speak about the micro business  
licensing stuff. The things that I am concerned that I have  
with the license that I'm going for which would be -- that  
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would be the plant count number, that the 150 plant count  
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that they would allow. How would the R&D side of the things  
be separated from your plant count and then on the aspect of  
that, a possibility of bringing in other licensed product  
because where I live currently, which is down in Burr Oak,  
Michigan, it's not a very big community. We're pretty much  
a rural area. If I happen to run out of product because of  
the supply and demand, I'm not able to keep up, how is that  
going to affect my business on making me close being I would  
not have product to put on my storefront to sell? So that's  
what I was here to talk about today. Thank you for your  
guys' time.  
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MS. FOX: Nate Noel, who will be followed by Kari  
Massay.  
NATE NOEL  
MR. NATE NOEL: Good morning. My name is Nate  
Noel and I currently work as a cannabis worker. I'm a  
member of the USEW. I'm here to support the labor peace  
language in both renewals and the initial license  
applications. Every worker has the right to create a  
stable -- stable work environment for themselves, their  
coworkers, and their families. I have two small children.  
When my youngest was born two years ago our family's  
out-of-pocket medical expenses were $2500. I've got an  
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amazing health insurance plan that costs my family $5 a  
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child, I was able to take four weeks off. It worked for my  
coworkers, it worked for my family, and it's an opportunity  
that coworkers in my industry should be afforded as well and  
at least have an opportunity to vote on. Our working  
relationship with my employer and the union has been  
fantastic. I serve on our local executive board so I see  
what our union is doing at the community and what it's doing  
to expand cannabis from where I'm from, and we're focused on  
safety as well as expanding patient access and  
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affordability. Thank you for your time.  
MS. FOX: Kari Massay, who will be followed by  
Andrea Hartdegan.  
KARI MASSAY  
MS. KARI MASSAY: Good morning. My name is Kari  
Massay, last name is M-a-s-s-a-y, and I'm here to  
represent -- I am a prequalified small class A license and I  
would like to make the suggestion that we could extend the  
deadline because we are also falling into that challenge of  
finding solutions as far as having a township that will  
allow us to buy property or lease property -- our preference  
is to buy property -- in the ag area. So that's --  
that's -- you know, I really hope that that's a solution we  
can come up with so many of these prequalified licenses that  
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are potentially having the same challenges that we're  
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considerations are when moving product between cultivation  
and processing the proposed system of testing would be  
inefficient. If product is tested prior to moving between a  
cultivator and a processor and then again before it reaches  
consumers, it would have an adverse effect on the industry  
due to costs. It also has adverse effects on testing  
facilities which are already overburdened and have been the  
source of bottleneck and flower getting to market. It's our  
understanding this is being implemented, but we want to make  
a note about it anyways. So our recommendation solution  
would be to remove or do not move forward with this  
unnecessary requirement not only between co-located  
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The consideration is product will need to pass testing in  
order to enter the market. However, requiring permission to  
remediate creates additional and unnecessary steps that slow  
down the production process. So our recommendation and  
solution would be to remove this unnecessary requirement.  
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And then lastly, sale and transfer, 420.501  
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shortage on cannabis biomass and the high retail price of  
flour, there are no current processors that are producing  
excess distillate for sale, for resale, sorry. This will  
have an adverse effect on any processor that does not have  
an associated cultivation facility that produces biomass for  
extraction. So the recommendation solution would be to  
allow for the intake of caregiver concentrate for infused  
product production and caregiver RSO which is the Rick  
Simpson Oil for medical, allow for the ability to transfer a  
hundred percent of medical flour to adult use if it passes  
all testing requirements. Thank you for your time.  
MS. FOX: Andrea Hartdegan?  
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MS. ANDREA HARTDEGEN: Hello. My name is Andrea  
Hartdegen, H-a-r-t-d-e-g-e-n. I've lived in Michigan my  
whole life and I work for a caregiver who owns an edibles  
company in Ann Arbor and they set a very high standard for  
high quality hash edibles using organic ingredients,  
offering gluten free and vegan options and never using  
distillate, which is very uncommon to see in dispensaries.  
My employer has spent the last three years jumping through  
hoops to be LARA compliant. We have passed all full panel  
testing through Metrc and LARA compliance, and we are  
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Rebecca Colett.  
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MR. MATTHEW ABEL: Good morning. Thank you for  
holding his hearing. We appreciate it, although it's  
required by law. We understand that. So I have two  
major -- two major points. One is the consumption lounge  
language I believe is over broad. "Any place where goods or  
services are sold and cannabis is consumed" implicates a lot  
more entities than I believe was anticipated. We appreciate  
that there will be consumption lounge licenses, but I think  
it should be permissive rather than restrictive, and by that  
I mean that if an entity has a license, that that would  
allow delivery at that location by retail stores and micro  
businesses. As long as that's not occurring it should not  
be required to have a consumption lounge license.  
My second point is one of just clarity of  
language. The language of counting plants that flower is  
vague and when -- as a lawyer when my clients ask me for  
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advice what that means, I don't really want to have to say  
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Medical Marijuana Law and close down all sides but the base.  
We've had ten years of not knowing what that means and I  
really don't want to have ten years of not knowing what  
plants that flower means or female plants that flower. Does  
that mean all female plants? Does that mean female plants  
that I'm intending to flower? Does that mean plants that  
are in flower currently? And it makes a huge difference as  
to the design of the facility what that language actually  
means, and so we would appreciate some clarification of  
that.  
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still going to be allowed in the Metrc system or not.  
There's no reason not to allow a caregiver to have their  
product tested for their own knowledge and for the safety of  
their patients. On 420.203(2)(a)(1), a consumption of food  
is not allowed onsite at a -- even at a consumption lounge.  
So it would be illegal to have a pizza delivered at a  
consumption lounge. When somebody gets the munchies, what  
are you going to do then? You have to leave the lounge and  
then come back. There's requirement 420.203(2)(c) that  
designated structures must be contiguous. I don't  
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be removed unless there's some good reason for that to be  
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requirement. I do understand the prohibition on mobile  
businesses, but that's something different. There's no  
definition of live resin. And while many people in the  
community understand what that means, we don't all. And is  
live resin only something that's made from plants that are  
freshly harvested or can plants be frozen and then made into  
live resin? Is that still live resin?  
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applied for 90 days before the event. I believe that's too  
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days might be more reasonable. I don't think it will take a  
lot of time to vet these applications once there's an  
understanding of all of the requirements about what those  
are. So maybe in the beginning it could be 90 days, but  
perhaps it could be reduced once that gets rolling.  
420.4(13), the spell check wouldn't have picked  
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know, that's just an error.  
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with that, again, my, my main points are regarding  
consumption lounges being over broad and that definition of  
plants that flower, please tell me what that means so I can  
tell my clients. Thank you. Again, I'm Matthew Abel. I'm  
sorry I didn't introduce myself in the beginning. I am the  
executive director of Michigan Normal. We represent  
cannabis consumers. I'm also the senior partner at Cannabis  
Counsel, PLC. And my name is spelled A-b-e-l. Thank you.  
MS. FOX: Rebecca Colett?  
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MS. REBECCA COLETT: Hello. Last name spelled  
C-o-l-e-t-t. I'm here just to comment on a couple of  
things. First is equity in the industry, labor peace  
agreement, and the extension of the prequal.  
My partner and I have been caregivers in the state  
of Michigan for the last ten years. So my -- as you can  
imagine, it is very difficult to be a woman of color in this  
industry. Right now there's really no equity. I would ask  
for expansion of the social equity program to include  
medical. Right now social equity just including adult use  
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smaller license types which does not allow us to take  
advantage of this billion dollar industry. We have already  
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spent half a million dollars in the medical licensing  
process. It is difficult for us to find investors, for us  
to find real estate. So I would ask for expansion of that  
social equity program to include medical and not only adult  
use. I am in support of a labor peace agreement and I would  
ask for the social equity program not to only include  
reduction of application fees, but to allow us opportunities  
for funding, allow us opportunity for partnership. I mean,  
just, you know, a couple of dollars off $6,000 doesn't help  
really anything. Thank you.  
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opportunity to speak today? Okay.  
MR. BRISBO: So we're going to -- what's the  
language? -- stand at ease. It's not a military tribunal.  
MS. FOX: We'll take a recess.  
MR. BRISBO: Take a recess. Just so everyone here  
is aware, from noon until 1:00 o'clock, because this is a  
new building that's being expanded, we're going to have fire  
drills. So you don't have to leave. If you hear the sirens  
and the lights going off, it's just testing the new system.  
That'll happen intermittently hopefully from 12:00 until  
12:15, but could take up to an hour. So you can just  
disregard those unless I come back and tell you it's real,  
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and then by all means leave. So we will stand at recess and  
gather other comments. We will reconvene between now and  
noon if anyone wishes to make additional comments. Without  
that, I think we'll reconvene at 1:00 o'clock to open the  
floor again for additional comments. Thank you.  
(Off the record)  
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at 1:00 p.m. Just a reminder, we are here for a public  
hearing today on the proposed administrative rule sets:  
Marihuana Licenses; Marihuana Licensees; Marihuana  
Operations; Marihuana Sampling and Testing; Marihuana  
Infused Products and Edible Marihuana Products; Marihuana  
Sale or Transfer; Marihuana Employees; Marihuana Hearings;  
Marihuana Disciplinary Proceedings; Industrial Hemp for  
Marihuana Businesses; and Medical Marihuana Facilities  
Rescinded.  
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As a reminder, we are here today to receive  
comments on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak,  
please fill out a comment card with your name and the rule  
number or citation that you are commenting on. When you  
come forward to speak, please state your name and spell your  
last name so that our transcriptionist can take down that  
information and so it will be in the hearing report.  
Particularity in your comment is appreciated as it will help  
staff review your comments moving forward. Please try to  
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limit your comments to approximately three minutes. If your  
comments are going to be longer than that, written comments  
can be submitted until Monday, February 17th, 2020, at 5:00  
p.m., and the details for providing those written comments  
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MR. PAUL SAMWAYS: Good morning or good afternoon.  
My name is Paul Samways. I'm a certified public accountant  
with Cannabis Accounting, Incorporated. The number one rule  
I want to talk about is the reporting requirements. In the  
law and the MMFLA it says "reviewed financial statement" and  
then the Department came out with a whole list of different  
stuff to test differently than a reviewed financial  
statement. And it was my understanding in talking to the MI  
CPA it's because we didn't have "reviewed" capitalized in  
"reviewed financial statement" when Senator Jones made the  
change in the law. So I would ask you guys to take a look  
at that because we all know in the accounting business what  
a reviewed financial statement is and we know how to track  
it. That makes it simple for everybody. Adding -- doing  
one-offs for everything drives cost and it's a pain in the  
butt.  
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things I don't see in the rules is I don't see any rules  
propagated for LARA employees working in the cannabis  
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industry outside after they're done working here. You had  
the former director who was working for Dykema, one of the  
largest law firms in the state, and was being solicited for  
business, was soliciting for business as a subject matter  
expert, was getting paid for it which is in direct  
contradiction of the spirit and purpose of the MMFLA. I  
could quote you the sections, but I'm not an attorney. You  
guys need to let people know they can't just go running out,  
start working. You need to propagate it for the  
recreational as well so there's no loopholes because I know  
how much we love to have a revolving door in this state for  
people to use their government service time to go out and  
make money in the private sector afterwards. Okay? So you  
need to propagate that, put in some sort of training for  
everybody who comes onboard. They know they can't go work  
in the industry for four years, four years after they're  
done working. Okay? So I'm looking forward to seeing those  
come out. Thanks.  
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MS. FOX: Thank you.  
MR. GALICKI: Thanks.  
MS. FOX: Next to comment, Tom Farrell. And  
please spell your last name for the transcriptionist. Thank  
you.  
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MR. TOM FARRELL: Sure. It's F-a-r-r-e-l-l.  
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Farrell. I'm with Refine Michigan Co. We're a provisioning  
center out in Kalamazoo, Michigan. I came from the  
caregiver market and just transitioned into the license  
market and appreciate all the hard work you guys have done.  
Just one of the -- my biggest concern, I guess, is  
the microbial testing. I've done a lot of research on it.  
I actually have about 200 pages of data here discussing the  
total yeast and mold and that it's really just kind of an  
umbrella mold. It's really just telling us that there is a  
generic, arbitrary number of mold. I've looked at a lot of  
other states and what they've done. A lot on the west  
coast, Oregon, California, Washington have all removed the  
total yeast and mold off of it because they were having a  
supply issue getting product to market. And what they  
actually found with that is that the total yeast and mold  
test doesn't allow enough incubation time and heat applied  
to actually come up with aspergillosis as the test. And  
aspergillosis has actually been one of the causes for  
immunocompromised patients. So at the end of the day,  
California and Oregon, a few of these other states decided  
to go to species specific testing using a quantitative PCR  
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style testing. And so they really honed in on about the  
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immunocompromised patients. There's about seven species of  
aspergillosis, salmonella and E. coli were the other two.  
So I would just urge that the state move to that. I think  
it would help the supply issue. It'd bring down our price  
on the flour and it'd also make it a lot safer for our  
patients at the end of the day for the end consumer.  
MS. FOX: Thank you.  
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MS. FOX: Is there anybody else who would like to  
comment at this time that has not filled out a comment card?  
Okay. We will take a brief recess and we will reconvene at  
1:30.  
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MS. FOX: Good afternoon. We're back on the  
record at 1:31 p.m. to receive more public testimony on the  
administrative rules. And for comment next is Matt Ramirez.  
Again, speak directly into the microphone and spell your  
last name for the transcriptionist. Thank you.  
MATT RAMIREZ  
MR. MATT RAMIREZ: R-a-m-i-r-e-z. Just as a  
commercial cultivator, just a real easy fix I think for  
the -- for on our side to make our life a little easier and  
get more product to market would be to change the 1500 plant  
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count rule. Right now it has us tagging plants anything  
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over eight inches which is kind of an arbitrary number for a  
plant. That means we have to buy the tags, use these single  
use plastic strips to tag plants that we might cull or kill  
when they don't make the cut down the road. Maybe they're  
just a runt, they didn't keep up with everybody else. Well,  
I've spent the money, I've made the little ecological impact  
for really nothing and it does limit me to, let's say if I  
have a 1500 plant license, I'm trying to flower a 1,000 of  
them and then I'm having to hold back 500 because that's  
what I need to keep these 1,000 going. Those 500 could be  
flowering plants if I wasn't forced to tag those and veg at  
the vegetative state and that would give us just more  
flexibility as an industry, maybe even just for genetics and  
moving things around for the state, helping other growers  
get growing. But mostly as an individual 1500 plant license  
holder, having to hold back those 500, tag those 500, just  
because they're eight inches tall it just doesn't really  
make a ton of sense for us. We don't make money off that  
size plant. It just doesn't do much for us. So if we could  
swap that to 1500 flowering and just basically give us a  
different set of rules to live by and veg that made a little  
bit more sense, I think that would help the industry in  
general. That's it.  
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would like to make comment this afternoon who has not filled  
out a comment card? We will hold the record open until 1:45  
p.m. Okay. If in the meantime you would like to make a  
comment, please fill out a comment card and give that to one  
of the staff and you will come forward to make your public  
comment.  
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else present who would like to make a comment this  
afternoon? Okay. There being no further comments, I hereby  
declare the hearing closed at this time. Any additional  
comments regarding the proposed rules may be submitted to  
MRA-legal@michigan.gov. Again, that is  
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