DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN  
SERVICES CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY,  
RULES FOR FOSTER FAMILY AND GROUP  
HOMES, PUBLIC HEARING VOLUME I,  
October 12, 2021  
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Phone: 800.632.2720  
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October 12, 2021  
STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES  
CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY  
PUBLIC HEARING - VOL. I  
RULES FOR CHILD PLACING AGENCY RULES  
235 South Grand Avenue, Lansing, Michigan  
Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 9:00 a.m.  
APPEARANCES:  
For the Department of MS. MARY E. BRENNAN  
Human and Human  
Services:  
State Administrative Manager and  
Regulatory Affairs Officer  
Michigan Department of Health and Human  
Services  
333 South Grand Avenue  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
(517) 335-0745  
Also Present:  
RECORDED BY:  
Angela Hull, Jessica VandenHeuvel  
Marcy A. Klingshirn, CER 6924  
Certified Electronic Recorder  
Network Reporting Corporation  
Firm Registration Number 8151  
1-800-632-2720  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Tuesday, October 12, 2021 - 9:09 a.m.  
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MS. BRENNAN: Good morning. It is now 9:09 a.m.  
It is Tuesday, October 12th, 2021. We are on the record for  
the first of two hearings for rule set 2020-02 HS, Child  
Placing Agencies. My name is Mary Brennan. I am from the  
DHHS Bureau of Legal Affairs and the Regulatory Affairs  
Officer for the Department. To my left I would like to  
introduce our subject matter experts for the hearing,  
starting with Ms. Angie. Angie, introduce yourself and  
please state your position with DHHS.  
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MS. HULL: Angela Hull, program manager in the  
Division of Child Welfare Licensing.  
MS. BRENNAN: Thank you. Our other expert is Ms.  
Jessica. Jessica, same?  
MS. VANDENHEUVEL: Jessica VandenHeuvel, DCWL area  
manager.  
MS. BRENNAN: Thank you. Okay. Housekeeping  
before we begin. The hearing will be recorded for the  
purposes of transcription and transparency. Please approach  
the podium if you would like to make a statement. Provide  
your name, spell last name for the transcriptionist -- oh, I  
forgot to introduce Ms. Marcy is our transcriptionist for  
today -- and any organization you may be speaking on behalf  
of, then provide your comment. One person at a time. While  
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your comments are invaluable to the public hearing, we ask  
that you respect the public hearing process, please keep  
comments respectable and not disrupt the hearing process for  
all. This is a state building and we are required to wear  
masks at all times to protect the public. Please follow  
this mandate during your time in the building.  
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o'clock and one at 2:00 o'clock p.m., and one 45-minute  
break at 12:00 o'clock noon. Restrooms, down the hall to  
your right. Snack shop at the end of the hall to your  
right. Right now they're currently offering packaged  
snacks, popcorn, coffee, and bottled drinks. For lunch,  
head straight down to Washington one block down and there  
will be a variety of restaurants, coffee shops as well.  
Comments for the public hearing ends Friday,  
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October 15th. If you have further comments, please send  
them to the MDHHS-AdminRules@michigan.gov e-mail box.  
Please note, any e-mail sent to a DHHS staff person  
regarding comment to the public hearing and not sent to this  
administrative rules e-mail box will not be considered for  
public comment. Rule status is available at:  
transcript will be available at the adminrules  
e-mail box. Please wait -- how long, two weeks?  
REPORTER: (Nodding head in affirmative)  
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MS. BRENNAN: Please wait two weeks before  
requesting a comment (sic). Any questions before we start  
taking public comment? Okay. The microphone is open for  
public comment. Please approach if you would like to make a  
comment at today's hearing.  
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MS. LARA BOUSE: Good morning. Lara Bouse,  
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B-o-u-s-e, Fostering Forward Michigan. Having worked in  
conjunction with the Department in reviewing these rules and  
reviewing them as intended today, I have three comments I'd  
like to make or three rules I'd like to comment on.  
The first one is 400.12328(1) on the Foster Home  
Record. We would like to strike the word "electronic" as it  
provides a barrier to non-contracted agencies to doing this  
important work. We would like to have language that  
suggests keeping the record in a manner as prescribed by the  
Department instead. Rule 12 -- 400.12713 Adoption  
Placement, we would like language added to maintain records  
for all adoptions, not just those for children of the Child  
Welfare System under DHHS. Rule 400.12403(3), we are  
adamant that this language needs to remain and shall not be  
changed. Not having this language has proven to reduce --  
is proven to increase barriers. This language reduces  
barriers for cooperation in cross agency placements now  
known as borrowed beds, and allows foster homes more  
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confidence in being able to do the same job consistently no  
matter what agency they're working with.  
And that's it. Otherwise, we're in full agreement  
with the rules as intended.  
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MS. BRENNAN: Thank you very much. Marcy, off the  
record, please. 115627  
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MS. BRENNAN: We're back on the record on 2020-02  
HS, Child Placing Agencies. It is now 12:00 o'clock noon.  
The public hearing for Tuesday, October 12th, 2021 has  
ended. The next public hearing will be tomorrow, Wednesday,  
October 13th, 2021, at 9:00 a.m. Thank you.  
(Proceedings adjourned at 12:00 noon)  
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DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN  
SERVICES CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY,  
RULES FOR CHILD PLACING, PUBLIC  
HEARING VOLUME II  
October 13, 2021  
Prepared by  
Phone: 800.632.2720  
Fax: 800.968.8653  
Let us assist you GLOBALLY for all of your deposition needs.  
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY, RULES FOR CHILD PLACING, PUBLIC HEARING VOLUME II  
October 13, 2021  
STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES  
CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY  
PUBLIC HEARING - VOL. II  
RULES FOR CHILD PLACING AGENCY RULES  
235 South Grand Avenue, Lansing, Michigan  
Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 9:00 a.m.  
APPEARANCES:  
For the Department of MS. MARY E. BRENNAN  
Human and Human  
Services:  
State Administrative Manager and  
Regulatory Affairs Officer  
Michigan Department of Health and Human  
Services  
333 South Grand Avenue  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
(517) 335-0745  
Also Present:  
RECORDED BY:  
Angela Hull, Jessica VandenHeuvel  
Marcy A. Klingshirn, CER 6924  
Certified Electronic Recorder  
Network Reporting Corporation  
Firm Registration Number 8151  
1-800-632-2720  
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MS. BRENNAN: Good morning. It is now 9:03 a.m.  
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on Wednesday, October 13th, 2021. We are on the record for  
the second of two hearings for rule set 2020-02 HS, Child  
Placing Agencies. My name is Mary Brennan. I'm from the  
DHHS Bureau of Legal Affairs and the regulatory officer for  
the Department. I would like to introduce our subject  
matter experts for the hearing, starting with Angela on my  
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MS. HULL: Angela Hull, program manager with the  
Division of Child Welfare Licensing.  
MS. BRENNAN: Thank you. Our other expert is Ms.  
Jessica.  
MS. VANDENHEUVEL: Jessica VandenHeuvel, area  
manager for Division of Child Welfare Licensing.  
MS. BRENNAN: And our transcriptionist for today  
is Ms. Marcy. Housekeeping notifications before we begin.  
The hearing will be recorded for purposes of transparency  
and transcription. Please approach the podium if you would  
like to make a statement. Provide your name, spell your  
last name for the transcriptionist and any organization you  
may be speaking on behalf of, then provide your comment.  
One person shall speak at a time. All your comments are  
invaluable to the public hearing. We ask that you respect  
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DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY, RULES FOR CHILD PLACING, PUBLIC HEARING VOLUME II  
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not disrupt the hearing process for all. This is a state  
building, we are required to wear masks at all times to  
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protect the public. Please follow this mandate during your  
time at this hearing.  
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There will be one 15-minute break at 10:00 a.m.  
and there will be one 45-minute break for lunch at 12:00  
o'clock noon. Restrooms, down the hall to your right.  
There's a snack shop at the end of the hall to your right.  
It is offering free coffee -- very strong this morning --  
and popcorn, and there are also wrapped up snacks and  
bottles of soft drinks for your choosing. For lunch, if you  
go straight down one block to Washington, on your left and  
right there are a number of restaurants that you may enjoy  
lunch at.  
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October 15th. If you have any further comments, please send  
them to the MDHHS-AdminRules@michigan.gov. Please note, any  
e-mail sent to a DHHS staff person regarding comment to this  
public hearing and not sent to the e-mail box, adminrule  
e-mail box, will not be considered for public comment. The  
rule status is available at ars.apps.lara.state.mi.us. A  
copy of the hearing transcript will be made available at the  
administrative rule hearing e-mail box. Please wait two  
weeks before requesting a copy. Are there any questions  
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the record until we have a comment? Thank you.  
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2021. The panel will be on a 15-minute break. Thank you.  
Off the record.  
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If anyone would like to make a public comment, please step  
forward. Okay. Marcy, please go off the record.  
REPORTER: Off.  
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MS. BRENNAN: We're back on the record on 2020-02  
HS, Child Placing Agencies. It is now 12:00 o'clock noon.  
We will be taking an hour break and we will resume with the  
Foster Home rules at 1:00 o'clock. The Child Placing Agency  
rule set has now been closed. Thank you.  
(Proceedings concluded at 12:00 p.m.)  
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questions 4:25  
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record 3:4 5:3,4,7,8  
5:9,12,15,16  
recorded 1:18 3:19  
Recorder 1:18  
regard 5:1  
regarding 4:19  
Registration 1:19  
regulatory 1:12 3:7  
REPORTER 5:13  
Reporting 1:19  
requesting 4:25  
required 4:3  
F
Firm 1:19  
follow 4:4  
forward 5:12  
Foster 5:19  
free 4:10  
B
back 5:9,16  
behalf 3:23  
block 4:13  
bottles 4:12  
box 4:20,21,24  
break 4:6,7 5:6,18  
Brennan 1:11 2:3  
3:3,6,13,17 5:5,9  
5:14,16  
U
Friday 4:16  
further 4:17  
V
VandenHeuvel 1:16  
3:15,15  
morning 3:3 4:10  
G
go 4:13 5:2,12  
Good 3:3  
N
VOL 1:4  
respect 3:25  
name 3:6,21,22  
Network 1:19  
noon 4:8 5:17  
note 4:18  
notifications 3:18  
number 1:19 4:14  
Grand 1:6,13  
respectable 4:1  
restaurants 4:14  
Restrooms 4:8  
resume 5:18  
right 4:8,9,14  
rule 3:5 4:22,24  
5:20  
W
wait 4:24  
Washington 4:13  
We're 5:9,16  
wear 4:3  
Wednesday 1:7 3:2  
3:4  
weeks 4:25  
Welfare 3:12,16  
wish 5:1  
H
building 4:3  
Bureau 3:7  
hall 4:8,9  
Health 1:2,12  
hearing 1:4 3:9,19  
3:25 4:1,2,5,16,20  
4:23,24  
hearings 3:5  
Home 5:19  
hour 5:18  
housekeeping 3:18  
5:1  
HS 3:5 5:10,17  
Hull 1:16 3:11,11  
Human 1:2,11,11  
1:12  
C
O
CER 1:18  
rules 1:5,5 5:19  
o'clock 4:8 5:17,19  
October 1:7 3:2,4  
4:17 5:5  
Certified 1:18  
Child 1:5 3:5,12,16  
5:10,17,19  
CHILDREN'S 1:3  
choosing 4:12  
closed 5:20  
coffee 4:10  
comment 3:23 4:19  
4:21 5:2,3,11  
comments 3:24 4:1  
4:16,17  
concluded 5:21  
considered 4:21  
CONTENTS 2:1  
copy 4:23,25  
S
second 3:5  
send 4:17  
sent 4:19,20  
Services 1:2,3,12,13  
set 3:5 5:20  
shop 4:9  
snack 4:9  
snacks 4:11  
soft 4:12  
South 1:6,13  
speak 3:24  
speaking 3:23  
spell 3:21  
staff 4:19  
starting 3:9  
offering 4:10  
wrapped 4:11  
officer 1:12 3:7  
Okay 5:2,9,12  
organization 3:22  
X
Y
Z
P
p.m 5:21  
PAGE 2:2  
panel 5:6  
I
II 1:4  
introduce 3:8  
invaluable 3:25  
0
person 3:24 4:19  
Placing 1:5 3:6 5:10  
5:17,19  
please 3:20 4:4,17  
4:18,24 5:11,12  
podium 3:20  
0-0-0- 5:23  
1
1-800-632-2720  
1:20  
Corporation 1:19  
J
Jessica 1:16 3:14,15  
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DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCY, RULES FOR CHILD PLACING, PUBLIC HEARING VOLUME II  
October 13, 2021  
1:00 5:19  
10:00 4:6  
10:16 5:10  
12:00 4:7 5:17,21  
13 1:7 3:2  
13th 3:4 5:5  
15-minute 4:6 5:6  
15th 4:17  
2
2020-02 3:5 5:10,16  
2021 1:7 3:2,4 5:6  
235 1:6  
3
3 2:3  
333 1:13  
335-0745 1:14  
4
45-minute 4:7  
48909 1:14  
5
517 1:14  
6
6924 1:18  
7
8
8151 1:19  
9
9:00 1:7  
9:03 3:2,3  
9:55 5:5  
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