PUBLIC HEARING ADMINISTRATIVE  
HEARINGS RULES  
February 22, 2023  
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PUBLIC HEARING ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS RULES  
February 22, 2023  
STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
MICHIGAN OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS AND RULES  
PUBLIC HEARING  
ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS RULES  
Rule Set 2021-84 LR  
611 West Ottawa Street, Lansing, Michigan  
Wednesday, February 22, 2023, 10:00 a.m.  
APPEARANCES:  
For the Department of MS. SUZANNE D. SONNEBORN  
Licensing and  
Regulatory Affairs:  
Executive Director  
Department of Licensing and Regulatory  
Affairs  
Ottawa State Office Building  
611 West Ottawa Street  
2nd Floor  
PO Box 30695  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
(517) 335-2484  
Also Present:  
RECORDED BY:  
D.J. Pascoe, Peter Kopke  
Marcy A. Klingshirn, CER 6924  
Certified Electronic Recorder  
Network Reporting Corporation  
Firm Registration Number 8151  
1-800-632-2720  
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TABLE OF CONTENTS  
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Wednesday, February 22, 2023 - 10:03 a.m.  
MS. SONNEBORN: This is a public hearing on  
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proposed administrative rules entitled, "Michigan Office of  
Administrative Hearings and Rules Administrative Hearing  
Rules." This hearing is being conducted on behalf of the  
Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, Michigan  
Office of Administrative Hearings and Rules.  
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This hearing is being called to order at 10:04  
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a.m., on February 22nd, 2023, at the offices of the Michigan  
Office of Administrative Hearings and Rules within the  
Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs in Lansing,  
Michigan. This hearing was published in three newspapers of  
general circulation, as well as the Michigan Register  
published on Wednesday, February 15, 2023.  
My name is Suzanne Sonneborn, and I will be  
facilitating the hearing today. Also in attendance at this  
hearing are D.J. Pascoe, Division Director of MOAHR's  
Benefits and Unemployment Division, and Peter Kopke,  
Administrative Law Judge with the Michigan Tax Tribunal.  
Please know, we are here today to receive comments  
on the proposed rules. If anyone in attendance eventually  
wishes to speak, please make sure you have signed in and  
indicated your willingness to speak. We will call on  
speakers in the order in which names are listed on the  
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sign-in sheets.  
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(Off the record)  
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MS. SONNEBORN: It is now 11:05 and there being no  
members of the public in attendance and no comments received  
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during most of this hearing, I hereby declare this hearing  
closed.  
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Peter 1:17 3:19  
please 3:21,23  
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administrative 1:3,6  
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Affairs 1:2,13,13  
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APPEARANCES  
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attendance 3:17,22  
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general 3:14  
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Wednesday 1:9 3:2  
3:15  
West 1:8,14  
willingness 3:24  
wishes 3:23  
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Present 1:17  
hearing 1:5 3:3,5,6  
3:9,13,17,18 4:5,5  
Hearings 1:3,6 3:5,8  
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Proceedings 4:7  
proposed 3:4,22  
public 1:5 3:3 4:4  
published 3:13,15  
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indicated 3:24  
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behalf 3:6  
Benefits 3:19  
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received 4:4  
record 4:2  
Judge 3:20  
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Building 1:14  
RECORDED 1:18  
Recorder 1:19  
Register 3:14  
Registration 1:20  
Regulatory 1:2,13  
1:13 3:7,12  
Reporting 1:19  
Rule 1:7  
rules 1:3,6 3:4,5,6,8  
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Klingshirn 1:18  
know 3:21  
Kopke 1:17 3:19  
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call 3:24  
called 3:9  
CER 1:18  
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Lansing 1:8,16 3:1  
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Law 3:20  
Licensing 1:2,12,13  
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Certified 1:19  
circulation 3:14  
closed 4:6  
comments 3:21 4:4  
concluded 4:7  
conducted 3:6  
CONTENTS 2:1  
Corporation 1:19  
listed 3:25  
LR 1:7  
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sheets 4:1  
sign-in 4:1  
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2021-84 1:7  
2023 1:9 3:2,10,15  
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22nd 3:10  
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signed 3:23  
Sonneborn 1:12 2:3  
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speak 3:23,24  
speakers 3:25  
State 1:1,14  
Statement 2:3  
Street 1:8,14  
sure 3:23  
members 4:4  
Michigan 1:1,3,8,16  
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D.J 1:17 3:18  
declare 4:5  
Department 1:2,12  
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Director 1:12 3:18  
Division 3:18,19  
MOAHR's 3:18  
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30695 1:15  
335-2484 1:16  
name 3:16  
names 3:25  
Network 1:19  
newspapers 3:13  
Number 1:20  
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entitled 3:4  
eventually 3:22  
Executive 1:12  
48909 1:16  
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Tax 3:20  
three 3:13  
today 3:17,21  
Tribunal 3:20  
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February 1:9 3:2,10  
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Firm 1:20  
Floor 1:15  
Office 1:3,14 3:4,8  
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order 3:9,25  
Ottawa 1:8,14,14  
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6924 1:18  
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