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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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MONDAY, JANUARY 9, 2023  
AT ABOUT 9:00 A.M.  
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G. MENNEN WILLIAMS BUILDING AUDITORIUM  
525 W. OTTAWA STREET  
LANSING, MICHIGAN  
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RE: Architects - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-25 LR)  
Professional Engineers - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-26 LR)  
Professional Surveyors - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-27 LR)  
Psychology - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-14 LR)  
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20 HEARING FACILITATOR:  
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WESTON MacINTOSH  
Bureau of Professional Licensing  
611 W. Ottawa Street  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
ALSO PRESENT: Stephanie Wysack  
REPORTED BY: Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
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2 Opening Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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7 Closing Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Monday, January 9, 2022  
At 9:00 a.m.  
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(Public hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: Good morning. My name is  
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Weston MacIntosh, and I'm a Departmental Specialist for  
the Bureau of Professional Licensing in the Department of  
Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, and I will be  
conducting the hearing today.  
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This is a public hearing on proposed  
administrative rules entitled "Architects - General  
Rules", "Professional Engineers - General Rules",  
"Professional Surveyors - General Rules", and "Psychology  
- General Rules". We are conducting this hearing under  
the authority of the Administrative Procedures Act,  
Public Act 306 of 1969, on behalf of the Department of  
Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Professional  
Licensing.  
We are calling this hearing to order at  
9:00 o'clock a.m. on January 9, 2023, at the G. Mennen  
Williams Building Auditorium, 525 West Ottawa Street,  
Lansing, Michigan. Publication of the notice of public  
hearing was in three newspapers of general circulation,  
including the Flint Journal on November 29, 2022, and the  
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Grand Rapids Press on November 29, 2022, the Mining  
Journal on December 16, 2022, as well as the Michigan  
Register, Issue #23, published on January 1, 2023.  
We are here today to receive your  
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comments on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak,  
please make sure you have signed in and said that you  
wish to speak. You may use the cards provided in the  
lobby for this purpose. I will organize the cards by  
rule set so that the comments for that profession are in  
a group together in the transcript. If you would like to  
testify and have not signed in, please do so now. For  
those of you who do not wish to sign in with a card, you  
may speak at the microphone once we have exhausted the  
stack of cards that you give to me.  
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If you have comments, please make sure  
that they relate directly to the proposed rules. If you  
have questions about the rules, please include your  
questions as part of your testimony for the Department's  
review. If you have suggested changes to the proposed  
rules, please include the specific reasons why the  
changes would be in the public interest.  
For the record, when you testify, please  
give us your name by spelling your name and the  
organization, if any, that you may be speaking for today.  
This will help the Department prepare the hearing record  
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that will go before the Boards. You can give written  
statements directly to me at the table. The Department  
will also accept written statements emailed or postmarked  
until 5:00 o'clock p.m. today.  
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The Department staff from the Bureau of  
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Professional Licensing also includes Stephanie Wysack.  
So the first rule set that we'll take  
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comments for are the "Architects - General Rules". Do we  
have anyone who wishes to speak on the "Architects -  
General Rules"? (No response.)  
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Hearing none.  
The second rule set that we will take  
comments for are "Professional Engineers - General  
Rules". Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
"Professional Engineers - General Rules"? (No response.)  
Hearing none.  
The third rule set that we'll take  
comments for is the "Professional Surveyors - General  
Rules". Is there anyone who wishes to speak on the  
"Professional Surveyors - General Rules"? (No response.)  
Hearing none.  
The fourth rule set that we'll take  
comments for is the "Psychology - General Rules". Is  
there anyone who wishes to speak on the "Psychology -  
General Rules"? (No response.)  
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Okay. Hearing none. So if there's no  
one who wishes to speak at this time, we will take short  
recess.  
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(Recess from 9:03 a.m. until 9:20 a.m.)  
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MR. MacINTOSH: Okay. So we're back on  
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the record. Just to doublecheck, is there anyone who  
wishes to provide any comment on either the "Architects -  
General Rules", the "Professional Engineers - General  
Rules", the "Professional Surveyors - General Rules", or  
the "Psychology - General Rules"? (No response.)  
Okay. Hearing none. If there are no  
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further comments at this time, I hereby declare the  
hearing closed. The record will remain open until today  
at 5:00 o'clock p.m. for any other comments you may wish  
to share about the proposed rules. Thank you for coming.  
(Public hearing concluded at 9:21 a.m.)  
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I, Lori Anne Penn, certify that this  
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transcript, consisting of 7 pages, is a complete, true,  
and correct record of the captioned matters held on  
Monday, January 9, 2023.  
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I further certify that I am not  
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responsible for any copies of this transcript not made  
under my direction or control and bearing my original  
signature.  
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I also certify that I am not a relative  
or employee of or an attorney for a party; or a relative  
or employee of an attorney for a party; or financially  
interested in the action.  
January 9, 2023  
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