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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2022  
AT ABOUT 9:00 A.M.  
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G. MENNEN WILLIAMS BUILDING AUDITORIUM  
525 W. OTTAWA STREET  
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LANSING, MICHIGAN  
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RE: Audiology - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-32 LR)  
Centralized Prescription Processing Pharmacies  
(MOAHR #2021-93 LR)  
Chiropractic - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-30 LR)  
Counseling - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2021-58 LR)  
Physical Therapy - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-15 LR)  
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HEARING FACILITATOR:  
WESTON MacINTOSH  
Bureau of Professional Licensing  
611 W. Ottawa Street  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
24 ALSO PRESENT: Stephanie Wysack  
25 REPORTED BY: Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
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I N D E X  
2 Opening Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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4 COMMENTS:  
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Jessica Bonneville - Counseling  
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7 Closing Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Wednesday, December 14, 2022  
At 9:00 a.m.  
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(Public hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: Good morning. My name is  
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Weston MacIntosh, and I am a Departmental Specialist for  
the Bureau of Professional Licensing in the Department of  
Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, and I will be  
conducting the hearing today.  
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This is a public hearing on proposed  
administrative rules entitled "Audiology - General  
Rules", "Centralized Prescription Processing Pharmacies",  
"Chiropractic - General Rules", "Counseling - General  
Rules", and "Physical Therapy - General Rules". We are  
conducting this hearing under the authority of the  
Administrative Procedures Act, Public Act 306 of 1969, on  
behalf of the Department of Licensing and Regulatory  
Affairs, Bureau of Professional Licensing.  
We are calling this hearing to order at  
9:00 o'clock a.m. on December 14, 2022, at the G. Mennen  
Williams Building Auditorium, 525 West Ottawa Street,  
Lansing, Michigan. Publication of the notice of public  
hearing was in three newspapers of general circulation,  
including the Flint Journal on November 10, 2022; the  
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Grand Rapids Press on November 10, 2022; the Mining  
Journal on November 23, 2022; as well as the Michigan  
Register, Issue #21, published on December 1, 2022.  
We are here today to receive your  
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comments on proposed rules. If you wish to speak, please  
make sure you have signed in and said that you wish to  
speak. You may use the cards provided in the lobby for  
this purpose. I will organize the cards by rule set so  
that the comments for that profession are in a group  
together in the transcript. If you would like to testify  
and have not signed in, please do so now. For those of  
you who do not wish to sign in with a card, you may speak  
at the microphone once we have exhausted the stack of  
cards that you give to me.  
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If you have comments, please make sure  
that they relate directly to the proposed rules. If you  
have questions about the rules, please include your  
questions as part of your testimony for the Department's  
review. If you have suggested changes to the proposed  
rules, please include the specific reasons why the  
changes would be in the public interest.  
For the record, when you testify, please  
give us your name by spelling your name and the  
organization, if any, that you may be speaking for today.  
This will help the Department prepare the hearing record  
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that will go before the Boards. You can give written  
statements directly to me at the table. The Department  
will also accept written statements emailed or postmarked  
until 5:00 o'clock p.m. today.  
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The Department staff from the Bureau of  
Professional Licensing also includes Stephanie Wysack.  
So the first rule set that we will take  
comments for is the "Audiology - General Rules". Do we  
have anyone who wishes to speak on the "Audiology -  
General Rules"? (No response.)  
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Hearing none, we'll move on.  
The second rule set that we'll take  
comments for is "Centralized Prescription Processing  
Pharmacies". Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
"Centralized Prescription Processing Pharmacies"? (No  
response.)  
Hearing none. We'll move on.  
The third rule set we'll take comments  
for is "Chiropractic - General Rules". Is there anyone  
who wishes to speak on the "Chiropractic - General  
Rules"? (No response.)  
Hearing none, we'll move on.  
The fourth rule set we'll take comments  
for are the "Counseling - General Rules". The first card  
I have for that profession is from Jessica Bonneville of  
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the Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association.  
Jessica. And the microphone should be on.  
JESSICA BONNEVILLE: Okay. So I'm  
Jessica Bonneville --  
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COURT REPORTER: The microphone is not  
on, so you have so speak louder.  
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JESSICA BONNEVILLE: Oh, sorry. It's  
Jessica Bonneville, B-o-n-n-e-v-i-l-l-e. I'm speaking on  
behalf of the Michigan Mental Health Counselors  
Association. And we are in support of the draft rules as  
presented.  
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MR. MacINTOSH: Thank you, Jessica. Is  
there anyone else who wishes to speak on the "Counseling  
- General Rules"? (No response.)  
Okay. Hearing none, we'll move on.  
So the fifth rule set that we'll take  
comments for are the "Physical Therapy - General Rules".  
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak on the "Physical  
Therapy - General Rules"? (No response.)  
Hearing none. Is there anyone else who  
wishes to provide a comment at this time? (No response.)  
Okay. Hearing none. So we'll take a  
recess. So if there are no other comments -- excuse me.  
If there are no other people who wish to speak at this  
time, we will take a short recess.  
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(Recess from 9:05 a.m. until 9:23 a.m.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: Okay. We're back on the  
record. If there are no further comments at this time, I  
hereby declare the hearing closed. The record will  
remain open until today at 5:00 o'clock p.m. for any  
other comments you may wish to share about the proposed  
rules. Thank you for coming.  
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(Public hearing concluded at 9:24 a.m.)  
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I, Lori Anne Penn, certify that this  
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transcript, consisting of 8 pages, is a complete, true,  
and correct record of the captioned matter held on  
Wednesday, December 14, 2022.  
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I further certify that I am not  
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responsible for any copies of this transcript not made  
under my direction or control and bearing my original  
signature.  
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I also certify that I am not a relative  
or employee of or an attorney for a party; or a relative  
or employee of an attorney for a party; or financially  
interested in the action.  
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