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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2023  
AT ABOUT 9:00 A.M.  
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OTTAWA BUILDING  
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611 W. OTTAWA STREET, UL-4  
LANSING, MICHIGAN  
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RE: Marriage and Family Therapy - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2022-037 LR)  
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HEARING FACILITATOR:  
WESTON MacINTOSH  
Bureau of Professional Licensing  
611 W. Ottawa Street  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
19 ALSO PRESENT: LeAnn Payne  
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23 REPORTED BY: Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
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2 Opening Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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7 Closing Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Tuesday, September 5, 2023  
At 9:00 a.m.  
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(Public hearing commences pursuant to due notice.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: My name is Weston  
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MacIntosh, and I am a Departmental Specialist for the  
Bureau of Professional Licensing in the Department of  
Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, and I will be  
conducting the hearing today.  
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This is a public hearing on the proposed  
administrative rules entitled "Marriage and Family  
Therapy - General Rules". We are conducting this hearing  
under the authority of the Administrative Procedures Act,  
Public Act 306 of 1969, on behalf of the Department of  
Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Professional  
Licensing.  
We are calling this hearing to order at  
9:00 o'clock a.m. on September 5, 2023, in UL-4 at 611  
West Ottawa Street, Lansing, Michigan. Publication of  
the notice of public hearing was in three newspapers of  
general circulation, including the Flint Journal on  
July 30, 2023, the Grand Rapids Press on July 30, 2023,  
the Mining Journal on August 16, 2023, as well as the  
Michigan Register, Issue #15, published on September 1,  
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2023.  
We are here today to receive your  
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comments on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak,  
please make sure you have signed in and said that you  
wish to speak. You may use the cards provided in the  
lobby for this purpose. I will organize the cards by  
rule set so that the comments for that profession are in  
a group together in the transcript. If you would like to  
testify and have not signed in, please do so now. For  
those of you who do not wish to sign in with a card, you  
may speak at the microphone once we have exhausted the  
stack of cards that you give to me.  
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If you have comments, please make sure  
that they relate directly to the proposed rules. If you  
have questions about the rules, please include your  
questions as part of your testimony for the Department's  
review. If you have suggested changes to the proposed  
rules, please include the specific reasons why the  
changes would be in the public interest.  
For the record, when you testify, please  
give us your name by spelling your name and the  
organization, if any, that you may be speaking for today.  
This will help the Department prepare the hearing record  
that will go before the Boards. You can give written  
statements directly to me at the table. The Department  
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will also accept written statements emailed or postmarked  
until 5:00 o'clock p.m. today.  
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The Department staff from the Bureau of  
Professional Licensing also includes LeAnn Payne.  
The rule set that we will take comments  
for is the "Marriage and Family Therapy - General Rules".  
Is there anyone who wishes to speak regarding the  
"Marriage and Family Therapy - General Rules"? (No  
response.)  
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Hearing none. If there are no persons  
who wish to speak at this time, we will take a short  
recess.  
(Recess from 9:03 a.m. until 9:20 a.m.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: Okay. So we re back on  
the record, and just to again ask, is there anyone who  
wishes to speak on the "Marriage and Family Therapy -  
General Rules"? (No response.)  
Hearing none, I hereby declare the  
hearing closed. The record will remain open until today  
at 5:00 o'clock p.m. for any other comments you may wish  
to share about the proposed rules. Thank you for coming.  
(At 9:21 a.m., the public hearing concluded.)  
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I, Lori Anne Penn, certify that this  
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transcript consisting of 6 pages is a complete, true, and  
correct record of the proceedings held in the captioned  
matter on Tuesday, September 5, 2023.  
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I further certify that I am not  
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responsible for any copies of this transcript not made  
under my direction or control and bearing my original  
signature.  
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I also certify that I am not a relative  
or employee of or an attorney for a party; or a relative  
or employee of an attorney for a party; or financially  
interested in the action.  
September 6, 2023  
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