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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
BEFORE THE MICHIGAN PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION  
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own motion, to promulgate rules  
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Case No. U-21369  
Volume No. 1  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
Proceedings held in the above-entitled matter  
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before Lesley Fairrow, J.D., Administrative Law Judge  
with MOAHR, at the Michigan Public Service Commission,  
7109 West Saginaw Highway, Lake Michigan Room, Lansing,  
Michigan, on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, at 9:00 a.m.  
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APPEARANCES:  
ANNA B. STIRLING,  
Assistant Attorney General  
7109 West Saginaw Highway, Floor 3  
Lansing, Michigan 48917  
On behalf of Michigan Public Service  
Staff  
ALSO PRESENT:  
Taylor Becker, MPSC  
Thomas Blair Renfro, MPSC  
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24 REPORTED BY: Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Tuesday, July 11, 2023  
At 9:00 a.m.  
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(Public Hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
JUDGE FAIRROW: Good morning. This is  
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Case No. U-21369, In the matter, on the Commission's own  
motion, to promulgate rules governing gas safety. My  
name is Lesley Fairrow, I'm an Administrative Law Judge  
with the Michigan Office of Administrative Hearings and  
Rules and presiding officer in this matter.  
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Today is July 11, 2023, this is the date  
and time designated by the Michigan Public Service  
Commission in its June 9, 2023, order to hold a public  
hearing to amend the rules regarding the amendments to  
rules governing Gas Safety Standards. The primary  
purpose of these amendments as to the existing rule set  
is to adopt by reference current federal regulations  
governing gas safety.  
This public hearing is being held at the  
Commission's Lansing office, the address of the office  
was included in the Notice of Hearing. The Commission's  
publicly available docket for this case shows that the  
Notice of Hearing was published on June 9, 2023, and  
in -- was published on June 9 in the following  
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newspapers: The Oakland Press was published on June 20,  
'23, in the oaklandpress.com as well as the  
oaklandpress.com2; the Grand Rapids Press had the Notice  
of Hearing published on June 20, '23; and the Mining  
Journal, the Notice of Hearing was published in that  
publication on June 20, 2023.  
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At this time, counsel on behalf of the  
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Michigan Public Service Commission Staff, please enter  
your appearance.  
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MS. STIRLING: Good morning, your Honor.  
Anna Stirling on behalf of the Michigan Public Service  
Commission Staff.  
JUDGE FAIRROW: And on behalf of Staff,  
you do have a representative here with you today?  
MS. STIRLING: We do. We have Taylor  
Becker here today representing Staff.  
JUDGE FAIRROW: And Mr. Renfro, would you  
like to put your appearance, also.  
MR. RENFRO: Thomas Blair Renfro, I'm an  
attorney with the Regulatory Affairs Division with the  
Commission, Public Service Commission.  
JUDGE FAIRROW: And at this time I would  
like to give anyone who would want to make an oral  
comment on the proposed amendments to the rules an  
opportunity to do so. I don't see anyone in the audience  
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at this time, so we'll take a 15-minute break and see if  
anyone comes to make comments. Off the record.  
(Recess from 9:03 a.m. until 9:20 a.m.)  
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JUDGE FAIRROW: We are back on the  
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record, and for the record, the address of the office  
where we are currently holding this public hearing was  
included in the Notice of Hearing. The Commission is  
also accepting written comments on the proposed rules  
through July 28, 2023. The instructions for making those  
comments are provided in the Notice of Hearing.  
No one has appeared today to make oral  
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comment, and we will now adjourn this public hearing.  
(At 9:21 a.m., the public hearing concluded.)  
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C E R T I F I C A T E  
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I, Lori Anne Penn (CSR-1315), do hereby  
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certify that I reported in stenotype the proceedings had  
in the above-entitled matter, that being Case No.  
U-21369, before Lesley Fairrow, J.D., Administrative Law  
Judge with Michigan Office of Administrative Hearings and  
Rules, at the Michigan Public Service Commission, 7109  
West Saginaw Highway, Lansing, Michigan, on Tuesday, July  
11, 2023; and do further certify that the foregoing  
transcript, consisting of Volume 1, pages 1-5,  
constitutes a true and correct transcript of my stenotype  
notes.  
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