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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS  
BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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THURSDAY, AUGUST 8, 2024  
AT ABOUT 9:00 A.M.  
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OTTAWA BUILDING  
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611 W. OTTAWA STREET, UL-5  
LANSING, MICHIGAN  
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RE: Optometry - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2023-073 LR)  
Professional Engineers - General Rules  
(MOAHR #2023-48 LR)  
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17 HEARING FACILITATOR:  
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WESTON MacINTOSH  
Bureau of Professional Licensing  
611 W. Ottawa Street  
Lansing, Michigan 48909  
STAFF: Kimmy Catlin  
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2 Opening Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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4 COMMENTS:  
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7 Closing Statement - Weston MacIntosh  
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Lansing, Michigan  
Thursday, August 8, 2024  
At 9:00 a.m.  
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(Public hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: My name is Weston  
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MacIntosh, and I am a Departmental Specialist for the  
Bureau of Professional Licensing in the Department of  
Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, and I will be  
conducting the hearing today.  
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This is a public hearing on the proposed  
administration rules titled "Optometry - General Rules"  
and "Professional Engineers - General Rules". We are  
conducting this hearing under the authority of the  
Administrative Procedures Act, Public Act 306 of 1969, on  
behalf of the Department of Licensing and Regulatory  
Affairs, Bureau of Professional Licensing.  
We are calling this hearing to order at  
9:00 o'clock a.m. on August 8, 2024, in UL-5, at 611 West  
Ottawa Street, Lansing, Michigan. Publication of the  
notice of public hearing was in three newspapers of  
general circulation, including the Flint Journal on  
June 30, 2024, the Grand Rapids Press on June 30, 2024,  
the Mining Journal on July 3, 2024, as well as the  
Michigan Register, Issue #13, published on August 1,  
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2024.  
We are here today to receive your  
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comments on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak,  
please make sure you have signed in and said that you  
wish to speak. You may use the cards supplied for this  
purpose. I will organize the cards by rule set so that  
the comments for that profession are in a group together  
in the transcript. If you would like to testify and have  
not signed in, please do so now. For those of you who do  
not wish to sign in with a card, you may speak once we  
have exhausted the stack of cards that you give to me.  
If you have comments, please make sure  
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that they relate directly to the proposed rules. If you  
have questions about the rules, please include your  
questions as part of your testimony for the Department's  
review. If you have suggested changes to the proposed  
rules, please include the specific reasons why the  
changes would be in the public interest.  
For the record, when you testify, please  
give us your name by spelling your name and your  
organization, if any, that you may be speaking for today.  
This will help the Department prepare the hearing record  
that will go before the Boards. You can give written  
statements directly to me at the table. The Department  
will also accept written statements emailed or postmarked  
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until 5:00 o'clock p.m. today.  
The Department staff from the Bureau of  
Professional Licensing also includes Kimmy Catlin.  
The rule set that we'll take comments for  
is the "Optometry - General Rules". Is there anyone who  
wishes to the speak on the "Optometry - General Rules"?  
(No response.)  
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Hearing none. The next rule set that  
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we'll take comments for is the "Professional Engineers -  
General Rules". Is there anyone who wishes to speak on  
the "Professional Engineers - General Rules"? (No  
response.)  
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Hearing none. If there is no one else,  
or no one who wishes to speak at this time, we will take  
a short recess.  
(Recess from 9:03 a.m. until 9:21 a.m.)  
MR. MacINTOSH: Okay. So we're back on  
the record. Just to check one last time, is there anyone  
who wishes to speak on the "Optometry - General Rules"?  
(No response.)  
Hearing none. Is there anyone who wishes  
to speak on the "Professional Engineers - General Rules"?  
(No response.)  
Hearing none. If there are no further  
comments at this time, I hereby declare the hearing  
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closed. The record will remain open until today at 5:00  
o'clock p.m. for any other comments you may wish to share  
about the proposed rules. Thank you for coming.  
(At 9:22 a.m., public hearing concluded.)  
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1 STATE OF MICHIGAN )  
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2 COUNTY OF MACOMB )  
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I, Lori Anne Penn, certify that this  
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transcript consisting of 7 pages is a complete, true, and  
correct record of the proceedings held in the captioned  
matter on Thursday, August 8, 2024.  
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I further certify that I am not  
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responsible for any copies of this transcript not made  
under my direction or control and bearing my original  
signature.  
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I also certify that I am not a relative  
or employee of or an attorney for a party; or a relative  
or employee of an attorney for a party; or financially  
interested in the action.  
August 8, 2024  
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Lori
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