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STATE OF MICHIGAN  
BEFORE THE MICHIGAN PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION  
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own motion, to commence a rulemaking  
4 proceeding to amend the Uniform  
System of Accounts for Major and  
5 Non-Major Electric Utilities, Michigan  
Admin Code, R 460.9002 and R-460.9003.  
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Case No. U-21768  
Volume No. 1  
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PUBLIC HEARING  
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Proceedings held in the above-entitled matter  
before Christopher L. Wallace, J.D., Administrative  
Law Judge with MOAHR, at the Michigan Public Service  
Commission, 7109 West Saginaw Highway, Lake Michigan  
Room, Lansing, Michigan, on Tuesday, September 3, 2024,  
at 1:00 p.m.  
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APPEARANCES:  
AMIT T. SINGH,  
MONICA M. STEPHENS,  
Assistant Attorneys General  
7109 W. Saginaw Highway, Floor 3  
Lansing, Michigan 48917  
On behalf of Michigan Public Service  
Commission Staff  
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Robert Nichols, MPSC  
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25 REPORTED BY: Lori Anne Penn, CSR-1315  
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Tuesday, September 3, 2024  
At 1:00 p.m.  
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(Public hearing commenced pursuant to due notice.)  
JUDGE SAUNDERS: Good afternoon. We are  
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on the record before the Michigan Public Service  
Commission, Docket No. U-21768, In the matter, on the  
Commission's own motion, to commence a rulemaking  
proceeding to amend the Uniform System of Accounts for  
Major and Non-Major Electric Utilities in accordance with  
the Michigan Admin Code R 460.9002 and R 460.9003. For  
the record, my name is Christopher Saunders, I'm an  
Administrative Law Judge with the Michigan Office of  
Administrative Hearings and Rules, and I have been  
assigned to be the presiding officer in this matter.  
Today is September 3 of 2024, and this is the date and  
time designated by the Commission in its July 23, 2024,  
order to hold a public hearing regarding the adoption of  
the rules governing the Uniform System of Accounts for  
Major and Non-Major Electric Utilities.  
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The record should reflect that this  
public hearing is being held at the Commission's Lansing  
office, and that address was provided in the notice of  
hearing. Additionally, the notice of hearing was  
published I believe on August 15, 2024, in the Grand  
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Rapids Press, and additionally, on August 27, 2024, in  
the Oakland Press and in the Mining Journal.  
Additionally, notice of this hearing was published in the  
Michigan Register, Issue No. 17, published on September 1  
of 2024.  
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Now, present we do have counsel on behalf  
of the Staff this morning. So Mr. Singh, would you be so  
kind as to place your appearance on the record on behalf  
of MPSC Staff, please.  
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MR. SINGH: Thank you, your Honor. Amit  
Singh on behalf of the Michigan Public Service Commission  
Staff, and I'd also like to enter the appearance of  
Monica Stephens.  
JUDGE SAUNDERS: Thank you very much.  
And additionally, I believe that you have a Staff member  
present with you from the Michigan Public Service  
Commission Staff; is that correct?  
MR. SINGH: Yes, your Honor. With me is  
Robert Nichols.  
JUDGE SAUNDERS: O.K. Mr. Nichols, could  
you identify yourself for the record, would you just  
state and spell your name for me, please?  
MR. NICHOLS: Robert Nichols, manager of  
the Revenue Requirement Section at the Michigan Public  
Service Commission.  
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JUDGE SAUNDERS: O.K. Thank you very  
much.  
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All right. Now, we are here to receive  
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public comments on the proposed rules. If there are any  
individuals who wish to speak, please make sure you have  
signed in and indicated your willingness to speak. We  
will call on speakers in the order in which the names are  
listed on the sign-in sheets. When you come forward to  
speak, please identify yourself with your name, the  
organization you represent, and both your mailing and  
email addresses so that this information may be  
transcribed into the hearing report. If you have  
additional comments to submit in writing, you may leave  
them at the registration desk or submit them to the  
Commission no later than 5:00 p.m. eastern standard time  
on September 18 of 2024.  
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Now, I will ask for purposes of the  
record, is there anyone present today who wishes to make  
a comment this morning? (No response.)  
O.K. I don't believe there is anyone  
here in the audience, it doesn't appear there is anyone  
on the sign-in sheet, so let's go ahead and take a break  
off the record. We'll take a break for about 15 minutes  
to see if anyone appears. Off the record.  
(Recess from 1:05 p.m. until 1:20 p.m.)  
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JUDGE SAUNDERS: O.K. We are back on the  
record, and for purposes of the record I will ask again,  
is there anyone present who wishes to make a comment on  
this matter this morning? (No response.)  
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O.K. The record should additionally  
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reflect that individuals may leave comments regarding the  
proposed rules by submitting them by mail to the  
Executive Secretary, Michigan Public Service Commission,  
7109 West Saginaw Highway, Lansing, Michigan 48917, or by  
electronic mail at [email protected]. The record  
will remain open until September 18, 2024, at 5:00 p.m.  
eastern time. At that time, the record will close and no  
additional comments will be accepted.  
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So as I've indicated, there has been no  
one present to make comments this morning. As there is  
no one here in the audience to make any additional  
comments, we will go ahead and adjourn. So off the  
record.  
(At 1:21 p.m., the public hearing concluded.)  
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C E R T I F I C A T E  
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I, Lori Anne Penn (CSR-1315), do hereby  
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certify that I reported in stenotype the proceedings had  
in the above-entitled matter, that being Case No.  
U-21768, before Christopher S. Saunders, J.D.,  
Administrative Law Judge with Michigan Office of  
Administrative Hearings and Rules, at the Michigan Public  
Service Commission, 7109 West Saginaw Highway, Lansing,  
Michigan, on Tuesday, September 3, 2024; and do further  
certify that the foregoing transcript, consisting of  
Volume 1, pages 1-6, constitutes a true and correct  
transcript of my stenotype notes.  
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September 9, 2024  
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