BUREAU OF MEDICAL MARIHUANA

REGULATION

May 23, 2019

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BUREAU OF MEDICAL MARIHUANA REGULATION

May 23, 2019

STATE OF MICHIGAN

DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS

BUREAU OF MEDICAL MARIHUANA REGULATION

MEDICAL MARIHUANA REVIEW PANEL

G. Mennen Williams Building, Auditorium

525 West Ottawa Street

Lansing, Michigan

Thursday, May 23, 2019, 2:00 p.m.

PRESENT:

MS. COLLEEN CURTIS

MS. KELLY KRONNER

MS. SYDNEY EISELE

RECORDED BY:

Raina Cook, CER 9233

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Thursday, May 23, 2019 - 2:01 p.m.

MS. CURTIS: Good afternoon. We will bring this

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public meeting to order. My name is Colleen Curtis, and I

work for the Marihuana Regulatory Agency. This is Kelly

Kronner, Sydney Eisele, and we will be facilitating this

hearing today on behalf of the agency.

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MS. KRONNER: This is a public hearing on the

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proposed Administrative Rules entitled Michigan Medical

Marihuana 2018-095 LR. This hearing is being conducted

pursuant to provisions required by the authority conferred

on the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs by

Section 5 of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act 2008- IL 1,

MCL 333.26425. This hearing is being called to order at

2:02 p.m. on May 23rd, 2019 at the Williams Building, first

floor auditorium in Lansing, Michigan. This hearing was

published in three newspapers of general circulation as well

as the Michigan Register published on May 15, 2019.

MS. EISELE: Please note that we are here today to

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receive your comments on the proposed Rules. If you wish to

speak, please fill out a comment card with your name and the

Rule number or citation that you're commenting on. When you

come forward to speak, please state your name and the Rule

number or citation that you're commenting on so that this

information may be transcribed into the hearing report.

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Particularity will help with the staff review your comments

in the transcript after today.

Please try to limit your comments to five minutes.

If you need more time, please consider submitting your

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comments to mra-legal@michigan.gov wherein comments may be

submitted until Thursday, May 30th, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.

Please remember that public comment is an opportunity for

members of the public to comment, not to obtain feedback,

engage in dialog or receive answers from the department.

Again, please give the Rule number and state your comments

with particularity. Thank you.

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MS. KRONNER: And we're going to see if we have

any comment cards.

MS. CURTIS: If you wish to speak, please fill out

the comment cards. And you can bring them up, or we can

come get them whenever you're ready.

MR. LOVEDAY: I live down south in Ogden Township.

I myself am a patient. I've been growing, processing for

myself the past few years. Anyway, what -- what I can do,

is I can do things on, like, a batch basis. And that allows

me to, when I hurt, I got sit down. When I feel like I can

do something -- which the medicine does help with that -- I

go and I do it, and that's the way I progress throughout the

day with my chronic pain. I have, like, crushed nerves in

my back.

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Anyway, I went to my local counsel and wanted to

become an extractor, and they said, "Mr. Loveday, no, no

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thank you. We're not going to allow that business in our

area." Now, I have a little bit of an issue with that, and

that is I live out in the middle of farm country. The

people who are saying no are the wealthy farmers around the

area, and that kind of rubs me the wrong way from a business

perspective, especially on my own land where -- I'm small.

I only have, like, 25 acres, and most of it's woods. But I

would like to make a living of some sort on my own land, and

these gentlemen are restricting it for medical or

recreational purposes.

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I'm now pursuing the hemp route, so then hopefully

I can do something to bring an income doing exactly the same

process that I would have done anyway. But this kind of

rubs me the wrong way that I'm dependent on my local

counsel -- or local counsel -- local township in this

instance in order to get a license from the State to go into

business, especially when the area, I think, I live in is

one of the target areas for those areas that we want more

business in in the state. Thank you for your consideration.

MS. KRONNER: Thank you. And, sir, once you're

done filling out your card, if you could, bring it up.

Thank you.

If there are no other people who wish to speak at

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this time, we will stand at ease until 3:00 o'clock. The

meeting will still be open, but we will be off the record

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until someone wishes to speak. Please feel free to approach

the podium -- or the microphone if you wish to provide

comments. Thank you.

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MR. JUSTICE: My name is Jared. I just had a

quick question. I just wanted to make sure that I'm

interpreting this correctly, and I'm not missing it

elsewhere. On page 5 of the new Rules, R 333.115, it's

rescinded the number of qualifying patients a caregiver can

hold. Does that mean that there's no longer the limit of --

of five patients, that you can have six, seven, eight?

MS. KRONNER: Unfortunately, we're here on behalf

of the Agency, so we're unable to answer your questions, but

if you email our legal inbox, we can take care of that for

you.

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MR. JUSTICE: Okay.

MS. KRONNER: But today we're just here to

represent the Agency, so we can't answer your questions.

MR. JUSTICE: Gotcha. What is the legal email?

MS. KRONNER: That would be mra -- it's on the

legal Notice. It's mra-legal@michigan.gov.

MR. JUSTICE: Okay. Thank you.

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MS. KRONNER: If there are no other further

comments, I hereby declare the hearing closed. Any

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additional comments regarding the proposed Rules that you

may wish to share must be submitted in writing to

mra-legal@michigan.gov. Written testimony on these Rules

will be received until Thursday, May 30th, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.

The current time is 3:00 o'clock. Thank you for coming.

(Hearing concluded at 3:00 p.m.)

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