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STATE OF MICHIGAN

DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS

BUREAU OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING

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PUBLIC HEARING

Tuesday, December 17, 2019

at about 9:00 a.m.

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G. Mennen Williams Building Auditorium

525 West Ottawa Street

Lansing, Michigan

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Re: Cosmetology - General Rules MOAHR 2019-028 LR

Professional Surveyors -

General Rules MOAHR 2019-044 LR

HEARING FACILITATOR:

Weston MacIntosh

Bureau of Professional Licensing

611 West Ottawa Street

Lansing, Michigan 48909

Also Present: Dena Marks,

Stephanie Wiacek

Transcribed By: Marie T. Schroeder, CSR-2183

P. O. Box 1313

Walled Lake, Michigan 48390

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I N D E X

Opening Statement - Weston MacIntosh 3

COMMENTS:

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(Cosmetology)

Pamela Ehrke 5

(Surveyors)

Brett Dodge 6

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Lansing, Michigan

Tuesday, December 17, 2019

About 9:00 a.m.

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MR. MacINTOSH: Good morning. My name is

Weston MacIntosh and I am an analyst for the Bureau of

Professional Licensing in the Department of Licensing and

Regulatory Affairs, and I will be facilitating the

hearing today.

This is a public hearing on proposed

administrative rules entitled "Cosmetology - General

Rules" and "Professional Surveyors - General Rules." The

hearing is being conducted under the authority of the

Administrative Procedures Act, Public Act 306 of 1969, on

behalf of the Department of Licensing and Regulatory

Affairs, Bureau of Professional Licensing.

This hearing is being called to order at

9:00 a.m. on December 17, 2019, at the G. Mennen Williams

Building Auditorium located at 525 West Ottawa Street in

Lansing, Michigan. The notice of public hearing was

published in three newspapers of general circulation, the

Grand Rapids Press and the Flint Journal on December 1,

2019, and the Mining Journal on December 3, 2019, as well

as The Michigan Register, Issue No. 22, published on

December 15, 2019.

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We are here today to receive your comments

on the proposed rules. If you wish to speak, please make

sure you have signed in and indicated your willingness to

speak. You may use the cards provided in the lobby for

this purpose. I will organize the cards by rule set so

that the comments for that profession will be grouped

together in the transcript. If you would like to testify

and have not signed in, please do so now. For those of

you who do not wish to sign in with a card, you may speak

at the microphone once we have exhausted the stack of

cards submitted to me.

If you have comments, please make sure

that they related directly to the proposed rules. If you

have questions regarding the rules, please submit your

questions as part of your testimony for the Department's

review. If you have suggested changes to the proposed

rules, please include the specific reasons why the

changes would be in the public interest.

For the record, when you testify, please

identify yourself by spelling your name and organization,

if any, that you may be speaking for today. This will

help the Department prepare the hearing record that will

go before the Boards. Written statements can be

submitted directly to me at the table. The Department

will also accept written statements emailed or postmarked

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until 5:00 p.m. today.

The Department staff from the Bureau of

Professional Licensing includes myself, Dena Marks, and

Stephanie Wiacek.

The first rule set that we will take

comments for is Cosmetology. So the first card I have

for that profession is from Pamela Ehrke. Did I

pronounce that correctly?

MS. EHRKE: Yes.

MR. MacINTOSH: O.K. So if you want to

come up and speak at the --

MS. EHRKE: I don't have any questions

yet.

MR. MacINTOSH: O.K. So this is your

opportunity to -- If you have any questions or comments

on the rules at this point, this is your opportunity to

make those comments.

MS. EHRKE: P-a-m-e-l-a, E-h-r-k-e.

Warren Woods Tower High School. My question would be:

The new rules about the interval practical applications

and how we're going to figure those out.

MR. MacINTOSH: O.K. Do you have any

specific concerns? Because those are just your

observations, saying these are the concerns you have.

MS. EHRKE: Well, we're not doing the

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MPAs anymore. Are we going to do theory and practical or

both?

MR. MacINTOSH: Do you have any other

questions? We're not necessarily answering your

questions today. I mean this is your opportunity to make

comments and raise any issues or concerns that you have

with the rules.

MS. EHRKE: I mean I don't have any

problem getting rid of the MPAs, but are we going to

still be logging theory and practical hours?

MR. MacINTOSH: Do you have any other --

MS. EHRKE: No. Thank you.

MR. MacINTOSH: O.K. Next I have -- Do

we have any other comments or questions or concerns as

far as Cosmetology? (No response.)

So we'll move on to Professional

Surveyors. I have Brett Dodge.

MR. DODGE: That's correct. Good

morning. My name is Brett Dodge, B-r-e-t-t, D-o-d-g-e,

with the Michigan Society of Professional Surveyors. We

have no comments at this time.

MR. MacINTOSH: Is there any other

comments on either rule set at this time? (No response.)

So what we'll do is, as there's no other

comments, we're going to take a short recess. We'll

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probably wait 15 more minutes to see if there's any other

comments or questions, and then we'll go back on the

record. So we'll stop right now and wait.

(Approximate 15-minute recess was taken.)

MR. MacINTOSH: If there are no other

comments at this time, I hereby declare the hearing

closed. The record will remain open until today at 5:00

o'clock p.m. for any additional comments you may wish to

share regarding the proposed rules. Thank you for

coming.

(At approximately 9:25 a.m., the hearing closed.)

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CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER

I, Marie T. Schroeder, do hereby certify

that I transcribed the foregoing electronic/visual

recorded hearing held in the above matters; In Re

Cosmetology - General Rules (MOAHR 2019-028 LR) and

Professional Surveyors - General Rules (MOAHR 2019-044

LR), held at the G. Mennen Williams Building Auditorium,

525 West Ottawa Street, Lansing, Michigan, on Tuesday,

December 17, 2019; and do further certify that the

foregoing transcript, consisting of eight (8) pages, is a

true and correct transcript of said recording.

Digitally signed by Marie T Schroeder

DN: cn=Marie T Schroeder, o=Metro

Court Reporters, ou=Metro,

email=metrostate@sbcglobal.net,

Marie T

c=US

Schroeder Date: 2020.01.07 12:18:27 -05'00'

_____________________________

Marie T. Schroeder, CSR-2183

P. O. Box 1313

Walled Lake, Michigan 48390

248-360-8865

Dated: January 7, 2020