EMS LIFE CONTROL PUBLIC COMMENT
NAME
ORGANIZATION
RULE NUMBER
COMMENT
DHHS' RESPONSE
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- General Comment
EMS
Administrative Rules and Statutes
should never include the word may.
Why codify into law that possibility
that something maybe done
DHHS opposes this comment. Statutes and rules
are either mandatory or permissive. "May" is used
frequently in many statutes and rule sets
depending on the intent of the statute or rule and
subject matter. However, there were some
instances in this rule set that have been identified
as incorrect and will be reflected in the JCAR report
as changed.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- General Comment
EMS
Language needs to be consistent
throughout the document. In several
instances ambulance operation is
DHHS partially agrees/opposes this comment.
There were some instances in this rule set where
"ambulance operation" should have been "life
used even though life support agency is support agency". Those have been identified and
the new terminology.
changed. Section 20902(5)of the Public Health Code
defines "Ambulance Operation" as a person
licensed under this part to provide EMS and patient
transport, for profit or otherwise. Section 20906(1)
of the Public Health Code defines "Life Support
Agency" as an ambulance operation, nontransport
prehospital life support operation, aircraft
transport operation, or medical first response
service.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- General Comment
EMS
All MCL citations throughout the
document should be in parenthesis.
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. The statute citations are not
required to be in parantheses. See LSB and Admin
Rule style guides.E8
Yes. Section 20902(4) of the Public Health Code
defines "Ambulance" as a motor vehicle or rotary
aircraft that is primarily used or designated as
available to provide transportation and basic life
support, limited advanced life support, or
advanced life support. The definiton in this rule
also includes ambulance - which I do not think was
the intent of this rule. The definition has been
amended for further clarity.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22101(b)
EMS
Does this definition include
helicopters?
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22111(3)
EMS
If I am reading this right it means the
DHHS agrees with this comment. This should say
state may override the MCA and allow "shall" instead of "may". "shall' reinstated and
an agency to be licenses even if they do "may" deleted.
not meet a;; MCA requirements. Should
be changed to will not.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22111(5)
EMS
Needs to specify the same MCA.
According to what I read as long as I
have a MA agreement with any
licensed agency I am good.
DHHS agrees. Section 5 has been rewritten with an
additional subrule 6 to end confusion: (5) All
life support agencies shall have a mutual aid
agreement with another life support agency to
ensure a response within the bounds of its service
area.
(6) If no other life support agency is licensed in the
medical control authority that meets this criteria, a
mutual aid agreement may be with a life support
agency in an adjacent medical control authority.
This does not preclude a life support agency from
entering into additional mutual aid agreements
with other life support agencies that is at a level of
licensure that is less than their level of licensure.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22111(6)(a)
EMS
Wouldn’t this be done by the State,
since they are the ones taking actions accountable to their respected MCA and therefore
against agencies?
DHHS response: Each life support agency is
the MCA has the authority to take action to
suspend, limit, or remove privileges of a life
support agency within their MCA. The MCA is
required to notify the department if the MCA takes
any such action as outlined in Rule 325.22210(3).
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22112(2)
EMS
Why codify something in law that is not DHHS opposes this comment. Rules are guidelines
permanent. The name field study
implies an end.
for the laws, which are codified in the Public Health
Code. This rule specifically allows MCAs the ability
to do a field study for an alternate destination if
they choose to do so, based on local needs of its
citizens. Special studies is covered in more depth
under Rule 214.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22113(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22114 Title
EMS
Once again should be will not
DHHS agrees. "Shall" reinstated in document and
"may" deleted.
DHHS opposes this comment. A PSRO is a group of
The use of organization implies it is a
separate entity should be changed to healthcare professionals that monitor the quality
committee, section or division
of medical care that is provided in a particular
geographical area.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22114
EMS
The use of organization implies it is a
DHHS opposes this comment. A PSRO is a group of
separate entity should be changed to healthcare professionals that monitor the quality
committee, section or division
of medical care that is provided in a particular
geographical area.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22117
EMS
A minimum of
DHHS agrees. "A minimum of…" has been added to
the rule language for those facilities keeping
records longer.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22118(1)
EMS
Should read via the application
prescribed by the department no later already included in this rule.
than 30 days after removal.
DHHS opposes this comment. This statement is
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22118(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22123(1)
EMS
Is responsible for the removal of
DHHS opposes this comment. This statement is
already included in this rule.
DHHS agrees. "exceptional circumstances" will be
defined by DHHS in policy. "within a reasonable
time" has been reinstated due to error.
Define
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22123(2)
EMS
Provider
DHHS opposes this comment. The definition of
emergency medical servies personnel is in Section
20904(5) of PA 368 of 1968
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Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22123(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22123(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R. 325.22126(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R. 325.22126(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R. 325.22126(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(2) (STRIKE)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(3)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(3)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(4)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22126(4)
EMS
transports
DHHS opposes this comment. The Rule is clear and
this is a preference of wording.
DHHS opposes this comment.
makes
/or
DHHS opposed this comment. The current
proposed rule has "or" in the rule.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. The Rule is clear and
this is a preference of wording.
DHHS opposes this comment. This language was
moved to R 325.22210(4)
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS agrees with this comment. "Shall" has been
reinstated and "must" deleted.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
And/
Actions taken
Why is this removed?
And
must
and/
and/
and/
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
language should be consistent
throughout the rules it should either
be will or shall when discussing
actions, not both.
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22127(2)
EMS
other
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
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Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22127(3)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22131(a)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22131(d)(i)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22132(a)
EMS
exercising its rights to conduct a
the
DHHS opposes this comment. This is a wording
preference.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is a wording
preference.
DHHS opposes this comment. See Section 3 of the
State EMS MEDCOM plan.
MFR’s not required to have hospital
communication
Once again need consistent language DHHS opposes this comment. "will" is the correct
throughout the document.
Needs to remain consistent
throughout document.
phrase.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22133
EMS
DHHS agrees with this comment. "ambulance
operation" should be "life support agency"
Replaced "life support agency" for "ambulance
operation" twice in the subrule.
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Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22133(a) STRIKE
EMS
Looks like this was added to
R325.22132(G)
DHHS opposes this comment. 22133(a) was
duplicate language from Section 20921(1)(a) of the
public health code.
DHHS opposes this comment. 22133(b) was
duplicate language from Section 20921(1(b) of the
public health code.
DHHS opposes this comment. All mention of "shall"
was replaced with "must" or "may" depending on
usage throughout the document.
DHHS opposes this comment. This was duplicate
language from Section 20923(6) of the public health
code.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22133(b) STRIKE
EMS
Why was this removed
Consistency
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22133(c)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22133(g) STRIKE
EMS
Why was this removed
Change criteria to protocol
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22134(a)
EMS
DHHS points out that in the public hearing
document, "criteria" was already removed and
replaced with "protocol".
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22134(a)
EMS
Need to retain original language. New DHHS opposes this comment. It is the
language appears to put the
responsibility on agency to follow all
three. Previous language states that
protocols need to be in compliance
with the law.
responsibility of the life support agency to comply
with approved MCA protocols. MCA protocols are
vetted and approved through the emergency
medical services coordination committee quality
assurance task force.
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Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22134(b)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22135 Title
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22135 Title
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22135(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22135(1)(e)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22135(2) STRIKE
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22135(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22136 TITLE
EMS
Why wasn’t this changed to reflect the DHHS opposes this comment. Both 134a and 134b
language in previous point.
Should be for all air ambulances not
just rotary
have simliar language now.
DHHS opposes this comment. Aircraft transport
operations is covered under R 325.22139.
DHHS opposes this comment. Rotary aircraft can be
a part of an ambulance operation.
Consistency
Consistency
DHHS opposes this comment. Rotary aircraft can be
a part of an ambulance operation.
Is this legal?
DHHS opposes this comment. Was a requirement of
certificate of need in the past.
Why was this section removed
consistency
DHHS opposes this comment. Certificate of need
not in existance anymore
DHHS opposes this comment. Language is correct in
the rule.
consistency
No change needed. Life support agency and vehicle
in LSB edits before public hearing.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22137 TITLE
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22137(a)
EMS
consistency
DHHS opposes. Language is correct in the title.
Will not
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22137(e)
EMS
consistency
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22139
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22181(1)
EMS
Most covered in R325.22135. Why is it DHHS opposes this comment. This section is
needed twice
The initial
specifically for aircraft transport operations
DHHS opposes this comment. The certificate of
compliance can change when the vehicle is
remounted.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22181(4)
EMS
will
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22181(6)
EMS
Why codify something in law that may DHHS opposes this coment. Some patient
only occur. What is remounter is not
part of these organization or an
organization that may not be
“approved” by the state yet.
created
compartments are remounted multiple times.
These organizatizations recognize eligible
companies in the work truck industry for quality
business practices and standards.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22182(2)
EMS
DHHS opposes this comment. Word preference.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22183
EMS
Language would be better suited in
Agency requirements through a written
policy. A separate rule is not
necessary.
DHHS opposes this comment.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22184(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22184(3)
EMS
must
DHHS agrees. Replaced with "shall".
Need to define
both
DHHS opposes this comment. The word
"prominently" is defined in the dictionary. No
further clarification needed.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22184(3)
EMS
DHHS agrees. "Both" added to rule language.
Robert Olkowski
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Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22189 TITLE
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22191(b)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22191(b)
EMS
Helicopters are also aircraft does this This is for fixed wing only. Helicopters are not fixed
mean them as well?
must
wing.
DHHS agrees. "Shall" reinstated and "may" deleted.
will
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22191(c)
EMS
will be
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Robert Olkowski
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Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22191(d)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22194
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22201(1)
EMS
Medical Control Authority
DHHS opposes this comment. DHHS provides for
inspections of life support vehicles, not MCA's.
DHHS agrees. "Shall" reinstated in rule and "may"
deleted.
DHHS opposes this comment. The word "Code" is
definedin Rule 101.
may
What code is being referred to PHC,
Code of Ethics. Ambiguous language
does not belong in law.
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22207(f)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(1) STRIKE
EMS
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is duplicate of
language already in Section 20918(6) of the public
health code.
And/
Why is this removed
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Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(2)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(3)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(4)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(5)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22210(5)
EMS
And/
And/
and
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. This is an "or"
statement.
and
and
and/
Need an appeals process why was this DHHS opposes this comment. This is a duplicate.
removed.
The MCA appeals process is covered under R
325.22126.
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22213(3)
EMS
improvement
DHHS opposes this comment. The intent is to
ensure that "quality data" is available to the MCA's.
Having access to that data, will allow them to seek
improvements to the EMS system.
Robert Olkowski
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Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22214(1)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22214(1)(e)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22214(1)(e)
EMS
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22214(2)(b)
EMS
the
DHHS agrees to replace "this" with "the".
will
DHHS opposes this comment. This is a "may"
statement.
DHHS opposes this comment. "Study" is the correct
word usage.
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
remove
Remove not necessary based upon
location of duty under paragraph 2
Robert Olkowski
Robert Olkowski
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22214(2)(d)
EMS
Remove not necessary based upon
location of duty under paragraph 2
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
DHHS opposes this comment. The rules have been
vetted and approved by both the LARA-
Administrative Rules Division and the Legislative
Service Bureau. See LSB and Admin Rule style
guides.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22214(2)(h)
EMS
Remove not necessary based upon
location of duty under paragraph 2
Robert Olkowski
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Robert Dunne
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22216(c)
EMS
Non medical care related aspects
DHHS opposes this comment. The MCA protocol
outlines who is responsible for the particular type
of scene. Also located in Section 333.209967 of the
Public Health Code.
Detroit Fire Department- R 325.22218
EMS
Why is this necessary? The word may DHHS opposes this comment. This Rule gives the
makes it sound optional.
MCA the ability to implement a protocol for non-
emergent patients. Currently, MCA's do not
currently have this authority.
Medical Director for
R 325.22111(4)
The part where they get rid of requiring DHHA opposes this comment. This was not part of
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
X number of ambulance available to
the 911 system 24/7/365 is a problem
if implemented. I could see agencies
(particularly private) financially
justifying not providing ambulance
service on certain days/times as not
cost effective.
the rule change
Robert Dunne
Robert Dunne
Medical Director for
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
325.22133
pg 13 sec A and B are covered twice
already in the code and should be
removed.
DHHS opposes this comment. No duplication.
DHHS opposes this rule. In rural areas, some
Medical Director for
R 325.22202(1)(e)
pg 23 sec E- "provided the individual
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
meets all applicable criteria, and or is Medical Directors are retired from practice and an
approved by the department." Has this exception may need to be made by the
come up before (no qualified
individuals available to serve as
medical director, unqualified
individual approved by the
Department.
department)? If it isn't a huge problem
somewhere, is it wise to change the
"and" to an "or"?
Robert Dunne
Medical Director for
R 325.22214(1)(a)(iii)
pg 29 sec "Published studies
DHHS opposes this comment. The MCA only needs
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
supporting the safety and efficacy of its to provide 1 of the 3 criteria listed in I, ii, and iii.
applications within the emergency
setting must also be submitted." This
could potentially prevent an MCA from
studying an established intervention
commonly performed outside of the
emergency setting if there are no
previous data. It might be worthwhile
to add teh caveat that these should be
provided if available, as with the
previous sentence in the section.
Robert Dunne
Medical Director for
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
R 325.22214
As far as removing the IRB section on DHHS Agrees. After reviewing the language with
pg 29, with the addition of section H, it DHHS Institutional Review Board staff, the language
looks like they are trying to exempt
has been changed to the following: (2) A medical
nonpublished special studies from IRB control authority that intends to establish a
requirements such as unpublished
QA/QI or investigation of a new
established intervention outside of
research. It is a bit weird that
protocol involving skills, techniques, procedures, or
equipment that is not included in this state’s
approved curriculum, and is not consistent with its
level of licensure requires a special study and must
publishing or not is the standard for IRB comply with all of the following:
approval or not- in general the
(a) Provide any available studies or supporting
standard for IRB approval is whether or documentation indicating the practice has been
not human subject research is taking studied. Published studies supporting the safety
place. This could be modified to "If the and efficacy of its applications within the
study amounts to human subjects
resarch as defined by the common
rule, Institutional Review Board
approval or the letter of exemption
status shall be submitted for the
study."
emergency setting must also be submitted.
(b) The medical control authority provides an
educational outline that will be implemented to
instruct the emergency medical services personnel
in the new skill, technique, procedure, or
equipment, as well as the verification of
competency that will be utilized and the plan for
continued competency assurance, such as a
continuing education plan.
(c) Provide a letter of support, justifying the need
for the practice, signed by the medical director for
the medical control authority participating in the
special study.
(d) The medical control authority shall submit
protocols that will be used for the practice.
(e) Identify life support agencies involved in the
Robert Dunne
Robert Dunne
Robert Dunne
Medical Director for
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
R 325.22210(5)
R 325.22212
On page 27 the appeals section being Response to Robert Olkowski's comment. No
removed is covered on page 28.
changes needed.
Medical Director for
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
On page 28 the appeals sections that Response to Robert Olkowski's comment. No
they want to remove are covered in the changes needed.
paragraph above.
Medical Director for
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
R 325.22191(d)
Section d on page 20 needs to be
removed. This caused massive issues
with an agency that was found to be
non-compliant and had major
compliance issues. The state had to
wait 15 days before acting, knowing
the agency was a risk to the welfare of
the public.
This was already removed in the draft rules
Robert Dunne
Medical Director for
R 325.22189?
On page 19, the section about aircraft Response to Robert Olkowski's comment. No
Detroit East MCA (DEMCA)
litter layout, I do not know enough
about why it is there or why people
want it removed to have an opinion
either way. Same thing with sections
on page 14. On page 12, the two
sections being removed are part of the
public health code. I do not see why
they need to be part of the rules as
well.
changes needed.