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Add a requirement in the Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical requirements from the Residential Code.  
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I want to voice my concern in regards to the rescinding of R408.30826 Violations.  
This was established to require the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) to report their findings to the permit holder.  
Taking this away could result in the AHJ leaving their findings (violation or no violation) only on the jobsite. The issue is  
typically when the AHJ is there the contractor has completed and is not returning until the next phase of the project is  
ready, the results would not be known until the contractor calls the AHJ or returns to the site (both would cause extra  
time to either or both AHJ and Electrical Contractor). This could also add stress and animosity between the AHJ and  
Contractors due the fact it was assumed no communication good or bad would mean the project can proceed to the  
next phase. The AHJs have currently incorporated this into their procedures. I would see it as a loss with no gains for  
anyone.  
Every time I speak with an inspector they are already overloaded with the current daily tasks. I can only imagine having  
to take another 10-20 phone calls a day will speed up the process.  
Thanks for the consideration.  
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Attn: Tony Williamson, Bureau of Construction Codes P.O. Box 30254, Lansing, MI 48909  
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I suggest the underlined words be added to the section to clarify the meaning and intent.  
80.19 (d) Expiration. Permits shall expire 180 days after issuance if an inspection has not been performed  
or 180 days after the last  
inspection date.  
Jason Craig  
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Tony  
I want to voice my concern in regards to the rescinding of R408.30826 Violations.  
This rule requires the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) to report their findings to the permit holder. It is interpreted to  
encourage communication between the AHJ’s and contractors. Eliminating this requirement could result in the AHJ  
documenting their findings (violation or no violation) only on the jobsite. Often, the AHJ is inspecting work that the  
contractor has already completed and in some circumstances is not returning until the next phase of the project is  
ready. Without communication, the results would not be known until the contractor calls the AHJ or returns to the  
site. Both scenarios could increase the amount of time involved for both parties, presumably the opposite of the  
intended effect of eliminating this rule. This could also add stress and animosity between the AHJ and Contractors due  
the fact it may be assumed that no communication could mean the project can proceed to the next phase. Lastly, the  
AHJs have currently incorporated this step into their existing procedures. Not rescinding this rule would not negatively  
impact the AHJs.  
Thanks for the consideration.  
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1. I agree with moving forward with the adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code. Michigan  
needs to speed up the adoption process.  
2. There is no need to postpone the effective date 120 after adoption. The State does not publish a  
separate book for the Michigan Electrical Code, as they do with other codes.  
3. Add a requirement in the Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical requirements  
from the Residential Code.  
4. There are too many terms used for the Authority Having Jurisdiction and it leads to confusion.  
Authority Having Jurisdiction is defined in the National Electrical Code and includes other terms that  
are used in the Part 8 Rules, Such as: "Enforcing Agency", "Code Official", "Inspector", "Electrical  
Inspector", "Electrical Inspector Having Jurisdiction". Do these terms used have different meaning?  
Consistent use of terms provides clarity.  
5. 80.19(d) states “Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or 180 days after the last inspection date.”  
It appears that the AHJ would make that interpretation on which date to use? The contractor could be  
required to secure another permit even though he had an inspection seven days prior.  
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Dan  
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All  
I want to voice my concern in regards to the rescinding of R408.30826 Violations.  
This was established to require the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) to report their findings to the permit holder.  
Taking this away could result in the AHJ leaving their findings (violation or no violation) only on the jobsite. The issue is  
typically when the AHJ is there the contractor has completed and is not returning until the next phase of the project is  
ready, the results would not be known until the contractor calls the AHJ or returns to the site (both would cause extra  
time to either or both AHJ and Electrical Contractor). This could also add stress and animosity between the AHJ and  
Contractors due the fact it was assumed no communication good or bad would mean the project can proceed to the  
next phase. The AHJs have currently incorporated this into their procedures. I would see it as a loss with no gains for  
anyone.  
Please confirm receipt  
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Dan  
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David Williams pages 7-8  
2023 Michigan Electrical Code Public Comment  
September 27, 2023  
Part 8 Electrical Code  
1. Revising Rule 801 to reflect which printed edition of the National Electrical Code that is being  
adopted by the State is beneficial as to which TIA's are included in our adoption.  
Rule 801, Rule 826 was rescinded and deleted 80.23. Rule 801 needs to be modified to exempt  
80.23 from Annex H. If this is not exempted, it would need to be modified due to empty areas  
in the section.  
Rule 801. (1) The standards contained in the national electrical code 2017 2023 second printing  
edition, including TIA 70-23-1 through 70-23-13, and Errata 70-23-1 through Errata 70-23-6,  
including Annex H, except sections 80.2, 80.5, 80.15, 80.21, 80.23, 80.27, 80.29, 80.31, 80.33,  
80.35, and 90.6, and 547.1 to 547.10, as published by the national fire protection association  
(NFPA), shall govern the installation, replacement, alteration, relocation, and use of electrical  
systems or material. With the exceptions noted, the national electrical code is adopted in these  
rules by reference.  
2. 80.19(d) states “Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or 180 days after the last inspection  
date.” It appears that the AHJ would make that interpretation on which date to use? The  
contractor could be required to secure another permit even though he had an inspection  
seven days prior.  
80.19(d) Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or and are extended 180 days after from the  
last inspection date.”  
3. The adoption of current electrical codes has an impact on the ISO, Insurance Services Office,  
ratings on various municipalities and the state. Delaying the adoption of the codes has an  
impact on the insurance ratings and increases the costs for the residents and businesses in  
Michigan. Michigan needs to be more proactive with building code adoption especially the  
electrical codes with all the changes each code cycle.  
4. Require the provisions of the Michigan Electrical Code to apply to all construction, including  
residential one- and two-family dwellings. Presently we are on the 2015 Michigan Residential  
Code that is based on the electrical requirements found in the 2014 National Electrical Code.  
The requirements in the 2014 National Electrical Code is based on the electrical technology  
and installation practices that had to be submitted in 2011. The advancements in the electrical  
industry have exponentially increased over the past decade and Michigan is left in the dark.  
Inspectors are required to write corrections on a document that most in the electrical industry  
do not purchase since the National Electrical Code applies to all electrical installations.  
80.9(D) Residential. This Code applies to all residential installations.  
5. Code Book Pricing. Rule 801, (5) there are three standards referenced and only pricing for two  
books, and it is not clear on the prices as to which document the two prices apply.  
6. Consistent use of terms in the document for the Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) is  
beneficial. Having six different terms is confusing. The document is using “code official”,  
“enforcing agency”, “inspector”, “electrical inspector”, and “electrical inspector having  
jurisdiction” and the correct term “authority having jurisdiction” which is defined in Article  
100 of the National Electrical Code.  
Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ).  
An organization, office, or individual responsible for enforcing the requirements of a code or  
standard, or for approving equipment, materials, an installation, or a procedure. (CMP-1)  
Informational Note: The phrase “authority having jurisdiction,” or its acronym AHJ, is used in  
NFPA documents in a broad manner, since jurisdictions and approval agencies vary, as do their  
responsibilities. Where public safety is primary, the authority having jurisdiction may be a  
federal, state, local, or other regional department or individual such as a fire chief; fire marshal;  
chief of a fire prevention bureau, labor department, or health department; building official;  
electrical inspector; or others having statutory authority. For insurance purposes, an insurance  
inspection department, rating bureau, or other insurance company representative may be the  
authority having jurisdiction. In many circumstances, the property owner or his or her  
designated agent assumes the role of the authority having jurisdiction; at government  
installations, the commanding officer or departmental official may be the authority having  
jurisdiction.  
7. Electrical codes are so far behind we need to adopt the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code as soon  
as possible. The state of Michigan does not publish a separate Michigan Electrical Code Book  
and in the past the code became effecting after approval of the secretary of state. It appears  
there is a new clause that states the rules do not become effective until 120 days after the  
filing of the secretary of state. We are already one full code cycle behind, please do not delay  
it any further.  
These rules become effective 120 days after filing with the secretary of state.  
Thank you for all your efforts this code cycle to improve the quality of the Michigan Electrical Code,  
Part 8 Rules  
David Williams, Secretary, International Association of Electrical Inspectors, Michigan Chapter  
1422 Lindy Drive, Lansing, Michigan 48917  
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Hello Tony and Lance,  
The draft rules for the Michigan Electrical Code Part 8 Rules is a vast improvement from last  
cycle. Congratulations and thank you for the effort involved.  
I do have a few comments that I would appreciate a response prior to the Public Hearings if possible.  
1.  
Rule 801, Rule 826 was rescinded and deleted 80.23.  
I assume since 80.23 is not exempted from Annex H in Rule 801. Than Annex H Section 80.23 would  
apply. Do we need to add 80.23 to the sections being exempted from Annex H?  
2.  
Rule 801, (3) NFPA 110 and 111 Editions are not the current standard. 2022 Edition  
3.  
Rule 801, (5) there are three standards referenced and only pricing for two, and it is not clear on  
the price of the documents.  
4. 80.19(d) states “Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or 180 days after the last inspection  
date.” It appears that the AHJ would make that interpretation on which date to use? The contractor  
could be required to secure another permit even though he had an inspection seven days prior.  
5.  
6.  
7.  
8.  
80.19(g) Limits only one extension to a permit. Many jobs can last longer than a year.  
700.9, NFPA 110 and 111 Editions are not the current standard. 2022 Edition  
701.9, NFPA 110 and 111 Editions are not the current standard. 2022 Edition  
Consistent use of terms in the document for the Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) is beneficial.  
Having six different terms is confusing. The document is using “code official”, “enforcing agency”,  
“inspector”, “electrical inspector”, and “electrical inspector having jurisdiction” and the correct term  
“authority having jurisdiction” which is defined in Article 100 of the National Electrical Code. Are these  
other terms defined or are they different?  
Thanks Again for all that you do for the electrical industry.  
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In reviewing the proposed rules and the Skilled Trades Regulafion Act, there appears to be an excepfion to permits in  
the Act that is not reflected in the proposed rules:  
MCL ACT 407 of 2016 339.5737  
Sec. 737 (3) A license is not required to perform any of the following classes of work:  
15 subsecfions leꢀered (a) through (o) list excepfions to a requirement for a license, and includes:  
(k) The installafion, maintenance, or servicing of security alarm systems in a building or structure. As used in this  
subdivision, “security alarm system” means that term as defined in 733(2)(c)  
Proposed Part 8 Rules  
Rule 80.19(c) Permit not required. A permit is not required for all of the following:  
(4) Statute exempfions. Installafions that are referred to in secfion 737(3)(a), (b), (c), (d), (f), (h), (l), and (m) of the  
skilled trades regulafion act, 2016 PA 407, MCL 339.5737. The excepfions noted in the act appear to be reflected in the  
rules, with the excepfion of (k), which appears in the Act and not in the Rules.  
It is my understanding that the rules are to follow the Act, and it appears (k) should be added to the rules to be  
consistent with the Act. Otherwise the rules would be in conflict with the language of the Act. We recommend adding  
“(k)” to the text of Rule 80.19(c)(4), with the other noted excepfions.  
Thanks!  
Dan  
Daniel G. Decker CFPS, CPP, SET  
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Gary Lazette page 12  
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I am not able to attend the public hearing on Thursday, September 21 at  
9:00 am, however I do have some thoughts to share.  
Michigan needs to speed up the adoption process and approve it without waiting the 120 days after adoption. The State  
does not publish a separate book for the Michigan Electrical Code, as they do with other codes..  
It would be great to have a code adopted in the current calendar year 2023.  
A requirement needs to be in the Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical  
requirements from the Residential Code.  
There are too many confusing terms. Authority Having Jurisdiction is defined in the National Electrical Code and  
includes other terms that are used in the Part 8 Rules,such as:" Enforcing Agency","Code Official" "Inspector" "Electrical  
Inspector"," Electrical Inspector Having Jurisdiction".  
Do these terms used have different meaning? We need consistency and clarity.  
Thank you for taking time to read my comments and suggestions.  
Gary J Lazette  
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Master Electrician  
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I want to voice my concern in regards to the rescinding of R408.30826 Violations.  
This was established to require the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) to report their findings to the permit holder.  
Taking this away could result in the AHJ leaving their findings (violation or no violation) only on the jobsite. The issue is  
typically when the AHJ is there the contractor has completed and is not returning until the next phase of the project is  
ready, the results would not be known until the contractor calls the AHJ or returns to the site (both would cause extra  
time to either or both AHJ and Electrical Contractor). This could also add stress and animosity between the AHJ and  
Contractors due the fact it was assumed no communication good or bad would mean the project can proceed to the  
next phase. The AHJs have currently incorporated this into their procedures. I would see it as a loss with no gains for  
anyone.  
Thanks for the consideration.  
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1. I agree with moving forward with the adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code. Michigan needs to  
speed up the adoption process.  
2. There is no need to postpone the effective date 120 after adoption. The State does not publish a separate  
book for the Michigan Electrical Code, as they do with other codes.  
3. Add a requirement in the Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical requirements from the  
Residential Code.  
Thanks  
Jeff Welsh  
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Tony  
I want to voice my concern in regards to the rescinding of R408.30826 Violations.  
This was established to require the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) to report their findings to the permit holder.  
Taking this report away could result in the AHJ leaving their findings (violation or no violation) only on the jobsite. The  
issue is typically when the AHJ inspection has taken place when the contractor is not onsite or not returning until the  
next phase of the project is ready. The results would not be known until the contractor calls the AHJ or returns to the  
site (both would cause extra time to either or both AHJ and Electrical Contractor). This could also add stress and  
animosity between the AHJ and Contractors due the fact it was assumed no communication, good or bad has happened.  
Meaning the project cannot proceed to the next phase. The AHJs have currently incorporated this into their procedures.  
I would see it as a loss with no gains for anyone.  
Thank you.  
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Attn: Tony Williamson,  
I will not be able to attend the Public Hearing for the Adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code but I do have a couple  
comments.  
1. Add a requirement in Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical requirements from the Michigan  
Residential Code. It makes it hard when you have to reference two different code books.  
2. I agree with moving forward with the adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code. Michigan needs to speed up the  
adoption process.  
Thank you for your time. Have a great day, be safe and keep smiling  
John Keil  
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Tony Williamson and Hearing committee,  
Due to work schedule constraints, I cannot personally attend the Public Hearing on September 21,  
2023. However, I would like to have my comments placed in the Public Record per the administrative  
process.  
I am a third generation Licensed Master Electrician in the State of Michigan. During my professional  
career I have worked with the tools in the field, trained numerous apprentices, been an Act 54 /; 407  
Registered Electrical inspector and Plan Reviewer. I have had a stake in the state Electrical code  
adoption process for over 45 years. As many of my fellow licensees, I have been very discouraged  
with the delays in a timely adoption of the code, cycle after cycle. The State of Michigan is NOT a  
leader in its concerns for prompt code adoption or keeping out Michigan specific changes for special  
interest maintaining their profit margins rather than being concerned for public safety. These groups  
have this opportunity to influence the NFPA 70 adoption process on a national level.  
With my interests as a citizen and electrical professional in the State of Michigan, please forward the  
following comments to the hearing members.  
1. I agree with moving forward with the adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code. Michigan  
needs to speed up the adoption process.  
2. There is no need to postpone the effective date 120 after adoption. The State does not publish a  
separate book for the Michigan Electrical Code, as they do with other codes.  
3. Add a requirement in the Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical requirements  
from the Michigan Residential Code.  
4. There are too many terms used for the Authority Having Jurisdiction and it leads to confusion.  
Authority Having Jurisdiction is defined in the National Electrical Code and includes other terms that  
are used in the Part 8 Rules, such as: "Enforcing Agency", "Code Official", "Inspector", "Electrical  
Inspector", "Electrical Inspector Having Jurisdiction". Do these terms used have different meaning?  
Consistent use of terms provides clarity.  
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5. 80.19(d) states “Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or 180 days after the last inspection date.”  
It appears that the AHJ would make that interpretation on which date to use? The contractor could be  
required to secure another permit even though he had an inspection seven days prior.  
The above items were developed by a great organization, Michigan Chapter of the International  
Association of Electrical Inspectors, board of directors comprising hundreds of hours of discussion  
and debate at the licensee level. Please honor the weight of all of these professional's time and talent  
by implementing these concerns.  
Respectively,  
Keith A. Woodcock, P.E.M  
Building Official, Build / Elect Inspector,  
Plan Reviewer all 4 trades  
Kwoodcock@wideopenwest.com  
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Lansing, MI 48909  
It is good to see our state moving toward adopting the current version of the NEC. I would strongly suggest the Part 8  
Rules have a requirement that removes the electrical requirements of the Michigan Residential Code and use the rules  
in the National Electrical Code.  
Doing so would:  
1. Simplify enforcement in the field.  
2. Eliminate the time spent for hearings on a second (electrical) adoption (MRC) process.  
3 Reduce the amount of paper used to publish a second code.  
So, please consider eliminating the electrical portion of the MRC. As an inspector for 30 years and in the trade for nearly  
50, I have seen the MRC be a frustration for inspectors and tradesmen in the field since its inception.  
Sincerely,  
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Ken Simpson - Registered Electrical Inspector (3596)  
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Mike Schmerl page 20  
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1)Do whatever it takes to join or lead the country in code adoption in a timely fashion. It will only be painful once for  
electricians, contractors and inspectors.  
2) Get rid of all Michigan specific nuances at the earliest opportunity. They add nothing to the purpose of the NEC.  
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Mike Schmerl  
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Dear Bureau of Construction Codes:  
I am writing to contribute to the discussion on Electrical Code Adoption.  
I'll make the following suggestions:  
1. I suggest moving forward with the adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code with all possible  
speed.Every day that we delay means that the residents of  
safety provided by the latest Code edition. Thousands of hours of discussion by industry experts are  
involved in revising the National Electric Code, providing the latest approaches to electrical safety.  
Adoption of the latest Code has already been delayed nearly six(6) years.  
Michigan are denied the increased electrical  
2 There seems to be no need to postpone the effective date of Code enforcement to 120 days after adoption.  
There is no separate publication by the State  
adopted codes.  
book for the Michigan Electrical Code, unlike other  
3. Electrical requirements for Residential installations are included in the National Electric Code. Part 8 Rules  
should specifically state that the National Electric Code is the governing document for all electrical  
installations. The Michigan Residential Code sections dealing with residential work should be eliminated.  
4. The Part 8 Rules should adopt the same definition for "Authority Having Jurisdiction" as the National Electric  
Code. The several different terms presently provided in the Part 8 Rules are confusing and unnecessary. A  
single , widely accepted definition will provide clarity.  
5. 80.19(d) states “Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or 180 days after the last inspection date.” I believe  
this language should be changed to : "Permits shall expire 180 days after issuance unless extended by specific  
approval by the AHJ." In this way, confusion about an ending date would be removed.  
Yours,  
Phil Clark  
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Phil Clark  
Clark & Associates  
1081 Hubbard  
Detroit, MI 48209  
(313) 929-6383  
ClarkTraining1@gmail.com  
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Rick Kinsman page 23  
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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:30 AM  
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Subject:  
Rule Set 2002-59 LR (Part 8 rules)  
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To whom it may concern,  
This mail is to support the adopfion of the Part 8 Electrical code rule set.  
We are currently outdated with the electrical code. This is creafing safety concerns for the public and installers of  
electrical components.  
With all the technical advances in the electrical trades we need to update our rules and adopt the current code as  
wriꢀen.  
Thank you for the considerafion,  
Rick Kinsman  
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Master electrician for over 25 years  
Electrical contractor for 30 years  
Electrical inspector for 16 years  
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Rod Miller page 24  
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Tuesday, September 19, 2023 4:40 PM  
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FW: R408.30826 Violations - Rescinding  
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T.Williamson  
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Tony,  
I have attached a letter in opposition to allow no contact, written or verbal, for failed or approved electrical inspections  
on jobsites. Please note if this code for inspections/violations is rescinded, it will put an enormous amount of stress and  
burden on the subcontractors, as well as General Contractors and/or project owners to confirm if requested inspections  
have failed or passed. While not always, there are numerous occasions where we have completed our scope of work  
and call for inspections after our staff are no longer on site. This could lead to large delays in projects moving forward  
with other trades, projects being completed for owners and homeowners to take possession, as well as putting onus on  
other subcontractors scheduled to perform their duties after we have completed our work assuming a passing  
inspection has been received. I believe there could be instances where other trades assume the building is ready for  
their work, and the work is performed without anybody aware of a possible failed electrical inspection, ie –  
insulation/drywall installed covering electrical work that has not been passed.  
I believe allowing the AHJ to not send notice of all inspections, passed or failed, is not in the best interest of the  
construction industry. The amount of time required to perform this task is a huge asset to all involved in the  
construction industry, and I hope all reconsider rescinding this code requirement.  
Thanking you in advance for your consideration,  
Rod Miller, VP CMF/EMU  
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Ron Bellaire page 25  
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Thursday, September 14, 2023 3:03 PM  
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Rule set public hearing 2023 Michigan Electrical Code  
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T.Williamson  
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I submitted two code proposals last year for the adoption of the 2020, 2023 Michigan Electrical Code. They are similar to  
the information contained in items 1 through 5 below. The items below were sent to me via the Michigan Chapter of the  
International Association of Electrical Inspectors (IAEI). I agree with every part of these statements.  
1. I agree with moving forward with the adoption of the 2023 Michigan Electrical Code. Michigan needs to speed up  
the adoption process.  
2. There is no need to postpone the effective date 120 after adoption. The State does not publish a separate book for the  
Michigan Electrical Code, as they do with other codes.  
3. Add a requirement in the Part 8 Rules stating this document removes the electrical requirements from the Residential  
Code.  
4. There are too many terms used for the Authority Having Jurisdiction and it leads to confusion. Authority Having  
Jurisdiction is defined in the National Electrical Code and includes other terms that are used in the Part 8 Rules, Such as:  
"Enforcing Agency", "Code Official", "Inspector", "Electrical Inspector", "Electrical Inspector Having Jurisdiction". Do these  
terms used have different meaning? Consistent use of terms provides clarity.  
5. 80.19(d) states “Permits shall expire 180 after issuance or 180 days after the last inspection date.” It appears that the  
AHJ would make that interpretation on which date to use? The contractor could be required to secure another permit even  
though he had an inspection seven days prior.  
Cass county inspections will be on Mondays and Wednesdays, St Joe County inspections will be Tuesdays and Thursdays.  
Fridays will be for office work and special case by case inspections.  
Midwest Energy, AEP, and Consumers now all require work order numbers for service connections.  
Homeowner's reminder, only licensed contractors can install electrical equipment other than the occupying owner.  
Permanent service approvals will not be granted until rough is complete on new construction.  
Be sure to call for all required final inspections.  
Ron Bellaire  
Multi Jurisdiction Electrical Inspector  
(269)663-3429  
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Tabytha Del Cid page 26  
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Wednesday, September 13, 2023 9:04 AM  
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2023 Michigan Electrical Code Adoption  
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I want to voice my concern in regards to the rescinding of R408.30826 Violations.  
This was established to require the authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) to report their findings to the permit holder.  
Taking this away could result in the AHJ leaving their findings (violation or no violation) only on the jobsite. The issue is  
typically when the AHJ is there the contractor has completed and is not returning until the next phase of the project is  
ready, the results would not be known until the contractor calls the AHJ or returns to the site (both would cause extra  
time to either or both AHJ and Electrical Contractor). This could also add stress and animosity between the AHJ and  
Contractors due the fact it was assumed no communication good or bad would mean the project can proceed to the  
next phase. The AHJs have currently incorporated this into their procedures. I would see it as a loss with no gains for  
anyone.  
Thanks for the consideration.  
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Thomas Bowes page 27  
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Thursday, September 21, 2023 7:47 AM  
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Michigan Electrical Code Adoption  
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To whom it may concern,  
I am wrifing to express my support for expedifing the adopfion of the 2023 Nafional Electrical Code as amended by the  
Michigan Part 8 Rules to create the Michigan Electrical Code. I am in favor of having this happen as soon as possible,  
without any unnecessary waifing period. I am also in support of removing the electrical requirements from the Michigan  
Residenfial Code as it has proved to be cumbersome for electrical inspectors and for journeymen and contractors to have  
to work between different reference documents with different numbering schemes and provisions. Maintaining separate  
electrical codes has also increased the work for the Bureau of Construcfion Codes and in the interest of governmental  
efficiency the pracfice should be done away with.  
Respecffully,  
Thomas W. Bowes  
Michigan Licensed Journeyman Electrician Michigan Registered Electrical Inspector  
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